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Missed opportunity: 1500V DC fourth rail

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stanley T

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Old Timer (and others),


It was you who said it was "crappily built". It was not. It was constructed to the then current Standards

OK, accept that, and apologies for any unintentional offence caused. However there is a perception that the ECML catenary has undue problems, and if perceptions deviate from reality, the perceptions need to be addressed - preferably with some comparative data. Electric railways are much more reliable than diesel ones (the unsuitability of marine diesel engines for rail use should be the subject of another thread); but,although rare, dewirings tend to cause massive dislocation.

The equipment on the CTRL is "constant height" equipment, e.g. every Structure is the same, and as such a monkey with basic training could build it. The UK situation is far more complex because it does not benefit from a constant height clearance and thus the whole system needs to be properly engineered.

Well, that must only apply to high speed lines in general, not just HS1, yet trains are run at 200kms/h on classic lines in France, Italy and Germany, both AC and DC, as well as the WCML now that Pendolinos are around; all of the latter presumably have variable height issues. Is there any comparative data available for catenary reliability for these operations and the ECML? (for the WCML, especially north of Crewe, which has not been rewired).
 
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The electrically savvy among you, why are there no high voltage d.c systems? Motors can't cope with high voltages?

Motors can be built for high voltages, up to around 15kV, but as the voltage increases the size and weight of the motors increases due to increased clearances and insulation requirements. The same goes for control equipment too, particularly when it was all mechanical. Oviously you benefit from lower currents with higher voltage, but their is an optimum and that's at the lower end for rail use. Another thing with DC is that it's not just the traction motors that need to cope with high voltages but auxiliaries too. The only way to get around it is to fit an MG set which for high voltage input and full auxiliary load (as opposed to just supplying the 24v systems like on old EMUs) is going to be as big and heavy as a transformer and rectifier. Again modern electronics would help a lot, static converters are smaller and lighter than equivalent MGs.
 

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Up to 220kph on classic lines assuming they can get enough juice from the 1.5 KV overheads to reach it. Available power severely reduced for TGVs running under 1.5 KV
 
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