London to Guildford... cheapest way?

[BRX]

So I'm investigating the cheapest ticket options between London and Guildford.

I have a z1-2 Oyster travelcard and a Network Railcard.

The specific journey times I'm looking at are leaving London on a Friday evening and returning on a Sunday evening or Monday morning but I'm likely to be making the trip fairly often in the next while so would like to get an overview of what's available.

So far this is what I've found:

Tickets from Clapham Junction to Guildford:

- It seems there are no return tickets available
- CLJ-GLD on a Friday evening - £8.40 Anytime Single
- GLD-CLJ on a Sunday evening - £5.55 Anytime Single (Network Railcard)
(Combined cost Friday-Sunday = £13.95)
- GLD-CLJ on a Monday morning - £8.40 Anytime Single
(Combined cost Friday-Monday = £16.80)

I take it the £5.55 Network Railcard fare only applies at the weekend when the £13 minimum rule doesn't apply

Travelling out on a Saturday instead of a Friday:
- A CLJ-GLD return is available - £7.00 Off-peak Return (Network Railcard)

Tickets from Waterloo to Guildford:

- It seems there is no WAT-GLD return available
- WAT-GLD on a Friday evening - £10.10 Anytime Single
- GLD-WAT on a Sunday evening - £6.65 Anytime Single (Network Railcard)
(Combined cost Friday-Sunday = £16.75)
- GLD-WAT on a Monday morning - £10.10 Anytime Single
(Combined cost Friday-Monday = £20.10)

Tickets to Farncombe (one stop further than Guidlford):

- A WAT-FNC return is available - £16.05 Off-peak Return (Network Railcard)
- This is valid post-peak on a Monday morning
There seems to be no CLJ-FNC return available.

I also tried from Imperial Wharf (last stop on the West London Line before CLJ):

- An IMW-GLD return is available - £15.80 Off-peak Return (Network Railcard)
- This is valid post-peak on a Monday morning


So in summary, the cheapest options seem to be:
Leaving Friday, returning Sunday: Two singles CLJ-GLD, total cost £13.95
Leaving Saturday, returning Sunday: CLJ-GLD Offpeak Return £7.00
Leaving Friday, returning Monday (mid-morning): IMW-GLD Offpeak Return £15.80


My questions are:
1. Can anyone suggest any cheaper options?
2. Are there fares from Zone 2 boundary to Guildford and if so is it any cheaper or do they have different conditions to the fares from Clapham Junction?
3. Can someone give me the full conditions on that IMW-GLD £15.80 Offpeak return (ie exactly when the offpeak hours start and finish)?
4. Similarly the full conditions on the CLJ-GLD £7.00 Offpeak Return?

I'd look it up myself if I could access the NFM on a mac...

Thanks!

 

[t0ffeeman]

Found a SVR from Elephant & Castle - Guildford (+Any Permitted) for £15.30 Code 4B! Also got a £15.80 for Waterloo -Wanborough.
Also a SVR from Boundary Z2 to Liphook £16.15

 

[John @ home]

Leaving Saturday, returning Sunday: CLJ-GLD Offpeak Return £7.00

No. This is an Off-Peak Day Return (CDR).

Are there fares from Zone 2 boundary to Guildford?

Yes. Boundary Zone 2 - Guildford fares are:

• First Class Anytime Day Return (FDR) £27.20
• First Class Off-Peak Day Return (FRX) £18.00 (Out: By any train except those timed to depart Mondays-Fridays before 0930 and trains departing London Terminals between 1600 - 1900 inclusive. Return: By any train except those timed to depart London Terminals between 1600 - 1900 inclusive.)
• First Class Anytime Day Single (FDS) £16.80
• Standard Anytime Day Return (SDR) £16.00 (Network Railcard Sat-Sun £10.55; after 0959 Mon-Fri £13.00)
• Standard Off-Peak Day Return (CDR) £10.60 (By any train except those timed to depart Mondays-Fridays before 0930.) (Network Railcard Sat-Sun £7.00)
• Standard Anytime Day Single (SDS) £8.40 (Network Railcard Sat-Sun £5.55)

3. Can someone give me the full conditions on that IMW-GLD £15.80 Offpeak return?

These are 2 sets of fares Imperial Wharf - Guildford. The cheaper route Not London fares do not include an Off-Peak Return valid one month. The route + Any Permitted fares include:

• Standard Off-Peak Return (SVR) £23.90 (Out: Valid one day. Return: Valid one month. Both by any train except those timed to depart Mondays-Fridays before 0930.) (Network Railcard any time Sat-Sun; after 0959 Mon-Fri £15.80)

Similarly the full conditions on the CLJ-GLD £7.00 Offpeak Return?

This is an Off-Peak Day Return (CDR). Conditions are above.

 

[BRX]

Found a SVR from Elephant & Castle - Guildford (+Any Permitted) for £15.30 Code 4B!

Interesting... what are the conditions for code 4B?

 

[t0ffeeman]

Restriction 4B.... Its the same restriction as all the other SVR tickets you had posted....


estriction : 4B
Restriction applies Monday to
Fridays only.

No travel restrictions on
other days to both outward and
return journeys.

Valid on any train scheduled
to depart at or after 0930.

MORNING TRAVEL
Travel is also allowed on the
following departures from the
stations listed:

Banbury 0855 & 0920
Bicester Town 0907
Bishopstone 0927
Brading 0850
Didcot Parkway 0929
Eastbourne 0929
Exeter St Davids 0926
Feniton___________________0847
Fratton 0928
Lake 0843
London Paddington 0922
Newbury___________________0922
Newbury Racecourse________0924
Oxford_____________0916 & 0921
Portsmouth Harbour 0918
Portsmouth & Southsea 0924
Radley 0927
Ryde Esplanade 0800
Ryde St John's Rd 0857
Sandown 0846
Seaford 0925
Shanklin 0840
Southampton Central 0910
Swanwick 0928
Whimple 0842
Yeovil Junction 0929

EVENING TRAVEL
Ticket may NOT be used Monday
to Friday on the following
departures:
From London Paddington and
Reading.

From From Final
Padd Readng Destination
1600 1627 Bristol TM (BRI)
1606 1632 Penzance (PNZ)
1615 1641 Swansea (SWA)
1630 1657 Taunton (TAU)
1633 1704 Exeter St.D(EXD)
1645 1711 Swansea (SWA)
1648 1720 Oxford (OXF)
1700 1727 Bristol TM (BRI)
1703 1731 Penzance (PNZ)
1715 1741 Swansea (SWA)
1722 1751 Hereford (HFD)
1730 1757 Taunton (TAU)
1733 1802 Paignton (PGN)
1745 1812 Carmarthen (CMN)
1748 1816 Cheltenham (CNM)
1751 1822 Worcester S(WOS)
1800 1827 Bristol TM (BRI)
1803 1832 Penzance (PNZ)
1821 1841 Swansea (SWA)
1822 1852 Hereford (HFD)
1830 1857 Weston S Mare(WSM)
1836 1903 Exeter StD (EXD)
1845 1911 Swansea (SWA)
1848 1916 Cheltenham (CNM)
1851 1923 Oxford (OXF)
1900 1927 Bristol TM (BRI)
1903 1932 Penzance (PNZ)
1915 1941 Swansea (SWA)
BVS/BVR/SVS/SVR OFF-PEAK
FSR/FSS/SFR/BFR/BFS
OFF-PEAK (First Class)

Outward/Single/Return Travel:
_____________AVAILABLE ANY DAY

Ticket Code: BVS/SVS
Ticket Class: STANDARD
Ticket Name: OFF-PEAK
Single/Return: SINGLE
Out Validity:-
Day - DATE ON TICKET
Time - SEE BELOW
Break of Jrny: (OUT) YES
Pre-Booking Requirement: NONE
Reservations Compulsory: NO
Child Discount: YES
Railcard Discount: YES
Group Discount: YES
Refunds: SEE 'REFUNDS' SECTION

Ticket Code: FSS/BFS
Ticket Class: FIRST
Ticket Name: OFF-PEAK
Single/Return: SINGLE
Out Validity:-
Day - DATE ON TICKET
Time - SEE BELOW
Break of Jrny: (OUT) YES
Pre-Booking Requirement: NONE
Reservations Compulsory: NO
Child Discount: YES
Railcard Discount: YES
Group Discount: YES
Refunds: SEE 'REFUNDS' SECTION

Ticket Code: BVR/SVR
Ticket Class: STANDARD
Ticket Name: OFF-PEAK
Single/Return: RETURN
Out Validity:-
Day - DATE ON TICKET
Time - SEE BELOW
Return Validity:-
Day - ONE CALENDAR MONTH
Time - SEE BELOW
Break of Jrny: (OUT) YES
(RTN) YES (SEE NOTES BELOW)
Pre-Booking Requirement: NONE
Reservations Compulsory: NO
Child Discount: YES
Railcard Discount: YES
Group Discount: YES
Refunds: SEE 'REFUNDS' SECTION

Ticket Code: FSR/SFR/BFR
Ticket Class: FIRST
Ticket Name: OFF-PEAK
Single/Return: RETURN
Out Validity:-
Day - DATE ON TICKET
Time - SEE BELOW
Return Validity:-
Day - ONE CALENDAR MONTH
Time - SEE BELOW
Break of Jrny: (OUT) YES
(RTN) YES (SEE NOTES BELOW)
Pre-Booking Requirement: NONE
Reservations Compulsory: NO
Child Discount: YES
Railcard Discount: YES
nroup Discount: YES
Refunds: SEE 'REFUNDS' SECTION

NOTES:
1) Time restrictions are
indicated by a restriction
shown against the ticket's
validity code.
2) Holders of 16-25, Senior,
Disabled Persons, HM Forces
and Family & Friends Railcards
, New Deal Photocards and
Inter-Rail (Code 70) Cards
travelling with Off-Peak
tickets may use ANY Virgin
train service, as long as the
journey being made is priced
by Virgin Trains. If the
journey is not priced by
Virgin Trains then the stated
Off-Peak restrictions apply.
3) Only Senior, Disabled
persons and HM Forces
Railcards discounts are
offered with First Class
Off-Peak Tickets.

BREAK OF JOURNEY

Off-Peak Singles and the
outward portion of Off-Peak
Returns are valid for travel
on the date shown on the
ticket. Where a passenger
wishes to stop overnight or
the journey cannot be
completed within one day,
break of journey for an
overnight stay is allowed.
Where a journey continues into
the next day, travel must
resume before 1200 and any
relevant time restrictions
apply (except where regarded
as an unbroken continuation
of the previous day's travel
where the first connection of
the day may be taken).
No further break of journey
is allowed except for the
purpose of changing trains.
Please note that break of
journey is not permitted on
some journeys, as detailed_in
the ticket restrictions.

Return portions of Off-Peak
Return tickets are valid for
travel until 0230 on the day
following the last day of
validity (i.e. one calendar
month from the outward
journey). If a passenger is
still travelling at 0230, they
may stay on the train to
complete that part of the
journey but no further break
of journey is allowed and all
travel must be completed by
1200.

Note: Cross London transfers
will only be accepted by
London Underground on the
date shown on the ticket (or
last day of validity for
Off-Peak Returns) and until
0429 the following day.

TICKET INFORMATION:
Off-Peak tickets are not valid
when the journey is affected
by a restriction shown against
the ticket's validity code.

Tickets with a 'Maltese Cross'
shown in the route description
allow transfer across London
on London Underground,
Docklands Light Railway or
First Capital Connect
(Thameslink route) services
appropriate to the route of
the through journey being made

Any local validity easements
can be found in the Easements
section EASEMENTS.

Travel restrictions do not
apply on Public Holidays.

NETWORK AREA:
The London & South East
Network Area is shown in the
London Area Fares section E0

Off-Peak tickets for journeys
starting within the Network
Area to destinations outside
the Network Area with travel
via London are valid by any
train to London, to connect
with trains from London.

Off-Peak tickets for journeys
starting outside the Network
Area for travel via London use
restrictions from the origin
station to London and return.
Unless shown otherwise, they
are unrestricted between
London and the destination
station, and return.

SELLING AN OFF-PEAK TICKET
Customers should be told of
any restrictions which may
affect any part of their
journey.

Where available, an
information card giving ticket
validity details should be
given out with each Off-Peak
ticket.

 

[BRX]

No. This is an Off-Peak Day Return (CDR).

Oops, sorry, so it is. My mistake.

Yes. Boundary Zone 2 - Guildford fares are:

• First Class Anytime Day Return (FDR) £27.20
• First Class Off-Peak Day Return (FRX) £18.00 (Out: By any train except those timed to depart Mondays-Fridays before 0930 and trains departing London Terminals between 1600 - 1900 inclusive. Return: By any train except those timed to depart London Terminals between 1600 - 1900 inclusive.)
• First Class Anytime Day Single (FDS) £16.80
• Standard Anytime Day Return (SDR) £16.00 (Network Railcard Sat-Sun £10.55; after 0959 Mon-Fri £13.00)
• Standard Off-Peak Day Return (CDR) £10.60 (By any train except those timed to depart Mondays-Fridays before 0930.) (Network Railcard Sat-Sun £7.00)
• Standard Anytime Day Single (SDS) £8.40 (Network Railcard Sat-Sun £5.55)

Thanks for those

These are 2 sets of fares Imperial Wharf - Guildford. The cheaper route Not London fares do not include an Off-Peak Return valid one month. The route + Any Permitted fares include:

• Standard Off-Peak Return (SVR) £23.90 (Out: Valid one day. Return: Valid one month. Both by any train except those timed to depart Mondays-Fridays before 0930.) (Network Railcard any time Sat-Sun; after 0959 Mon-Fri £15.80)

And this. Looks like singles aren't priced so keenly on that route unfortunately.
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So, revised cheapest options:
Leaving Friday, returning Sunday: Two singles CLJ-GLD, total cost £13.95
Leaving Saturday, returning Sunday: Two singles CLJ-GLD total cost £11.10
Leaving Friday, returning Monday (mid-morning): EPH-GLD Offpeak Return £15.30
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Another option is buying a Megatrain ticket from London to Havant and stopping short. But am I right to think they wouldn't let me through the gates at Guildford with that?