Liverpool to Leeds via Wigan

[ChrisTheRef]

Hi Guys,

Change of plan on Tuesday. I will now be travelling from Liverpool up to Leeds, arriving before 1pm. I'll then continue after 2:30pm on to Wigan before catching the last train of the night back to Liverpool.

Any ideas on tickets please?

I don't have to travel via Wigan on the outward journey, but will do so if it makes things cheaper.

Much love

 

[yorkie]

I don't think it matters that you wish to return via Wigan, as a Liverpool to Manchester is valid via Wigan on map ML, see http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/RSPDocuments/permitted_route_identifier.pdf and http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/RSPDocuments/maps.pdf the guard may think it's an odd route, but it is valid!

Manchester-Leeds can be done a bit cheaper with a Rte Hebden Bridge ticket, but this is slower.

A few quid can be saved by splitting at Littleborough instead of Manchester (in fact, a few pence more can be saved by splitting at Littleborough and Walsden but less trains call at Walsden so I wouldn't recommend it)

 

[ChrisTheRef]

But is Liverpool to Leeds?

 

[Lampshade]

Hmm, Liverpool to Leeds is permitted via Manchester, Liverpool to Manchester is permitted via Wigan, logic would suggest Leeds > Manchester > Wigan > Liverpool is a valid route but that is logic and this is the railways

 

[yorkie]

I just gave the cheapest options. But for Liverpool - Leeds routeings, check the RG, if you get stuck, we're here to help

Edit: Yes it's valid, see the attachment.

 

[tony_mac]

I think you can split at St Helens Junction.
at least you can take the fast Northern service to Manchester on the outward.

 

[ChrisTheRef]

I think you can split at St Helens Junction.
at least you can take the fast Northern service to Manchester on the outward.

You sure?

Wigan to Liverpool trains run via St Helens Central, not Junction

 

[tony_mac]

It looks ok to me, as follows;
For St Helens Jn to Leeds, Huyton passes the fares check (for SDS any permitted fares), so can be used as a routeing point.

Huyton to Leeds is allowed on maps ML + TP
Map ML allows Huyton - Wigan - Manchester, and TP for Manchester - Leeds

Which makes St Helens Jn - Huyton - Wigan - Manchester - Leeds a valid route.
So, on the return, you would travel as far as Huyton on your Leeds - St Helens Jn ticket, and from Huyton to Liverpool on the St Helens Jn - Liverpool ticket.

(splitting at St Helens Central also covers the route, but you would need to get a train that stops at Huyton on the outward, which rules out the fast Northern service).