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I took a trip on the 392 this afternoon, the Mayne liveried Iveco Ilesbus i-City MAX turned up as referenced above, however the driver acted very strange when passengers came to pay. 3 cash passengers and each time the conversation went like this "Call it 2 quid, I'll keep the ticket" Make of that what you will....
 
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I took a trip on the 392 this afternoon, the Mayne liveried Iveco Ilesbus i-City MAX turned up as referenced above, however the driver acted very strange when passengers came to pay. 3 cash passengers and each time the conversation went like this "Call it 2 quid, I'll keep the ticket" Make of that what you will....

Makes a change from Little Gem's cash or m-ticket only approach, citing it's TfGM's fault they can't take contactless payments.
 

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I took a trip on the 392 this afternoon, the Mayne liveried Iveco Ilesbus i-City MAX turned up as referenced above, however the driver acted very strange when passengers came to pay. 3 cash passengers and each time the conversation went like this "Call it 2 quid, I'll keep the ticket" Make of that what you will....
I mentioned this type of behaviour earlier in the thread. I can’t see the service being a financial success if they have commercialised part of it, and fares aren’t making it to the fare box to compensate…..
 

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Makes a change from Little Gem's cash or m-ticket only approach, citing it's TfGM's fault they can't take contactless payments.

So do they accept contactless payment now on the 392? I used to like paying £9.00 for 5 single tickets with Little Gem. I think towards the end it was about £7.50?
 

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I used to like paying £9.00 for 5 single tickets with Little Gem. I think towards the end it was about £7.50?

The single m-tickets got reduced to £1.50 when the TfGM £2 fare cap came in, so presumably they would have lowered the 5 ticket price at the same time.

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I mentioned this type of behaviour earlier in the thread. I can’t see the service being a financial success if they have commercialised part of it, and fares aren’t making it to the fare box to compensate…..

I wonder if it's really part commercialised or whether someone just selected the wrong option when inputting the registration. I can't see why it would be part commercial unless another operator objected to it partly duplicating their commercial service.
 

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If the tracking on bus times is correct then Belle Vue use Scania N230UD OmniCity YR61 RVK on the 288 if they only have two of Fiat Ducato Bluebird Orions out and if all 3 are out then they over all 280 and 288 journeys.

Does anyone know what Go Goodwins have used on the 391/392 this week? Only one of the Iveco i-Cities has been tracking. The other's vehicle been tracking as a Van Hool TDX29 Astromega, so that may not be right. Although, a former Megabus coach would be fitted with a destination display.
 

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Tracking shows the 391/392 is operated by Belle Vue Coaches. Is this correct - if so does that mean Go Goodwins no longer does scheduled services?
 

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Tracking shows the 391/392 is operated by Belle Vue Coaches. Is this correct - if so does that mean Go Goodwins no longer does scheduled services?
Could be wrong but Bustimes.org shows its still Go Goodwin's and nothing has changed on TfGM's site either. so I am going for "someone has made a change that's not factually correct" to the fleet details on bustimes.org
 

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Tracking shows the 391/392 is operated by Belle Vue Coaches. Is this correct - if so does that mean Go Goodwins no longer does scheduled services?

I saw the 14:50 Stockport to Macclesfield yesterday. It was one of the red Ivecos still in Mayne livery. Bustimes shows a Wright Eclipse running it and the same Wright Eclipse running a service from Harrytown Werneth School, so there's an obvious mistake there, even if you didn't know what ran the 14:50 Stockport to Macclesfield.


As @andrewbowden has said no one has made any annoucement of any changes. Coach hire companies do sometimes help each other out, especially in the summer, so it's possible Belle Vue are loaning drivers to Go Goodwins. I don't know if a Belle Vue driver logging on to a ticket machine for a Go Goodwins route might affect the tracking?
 

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You can tell by the data sources that this isn't Belle Vue loaning drivers.

The ticket machines being used on the 391/392 are Belle Vue ticket machines. You can tell that because timetable data is coming from Belle Vues bus open data which in turn comes from Ticketer. That means in Belle Vues Ticketer portal, they have set up the 391/392.
The buses also started tracking as Belle Vue vehicles.

The 3 possible options that I can think of are either Goodwin's are leasing ticket machines off Belle Vue, Everyone is using TFGMs machines but TFGM haven't set up the Goodwin's machines to be separate, Or Belle Vue has taken over the running of the 391/392 but no registration has gone through yet that I can see.
 

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So no registration changes. And no changes yet listed for the Goodwins companies in Companies House (interestingly Go Goodwins Group Ltd was renamed Mayne Travel Mcr Ltd in June.) So no obvious suggestion that any of the companies have been sold to Belle Vue.

Little Gem used to have their own machines but maybe them only now having two vehicles and not doing any TfGM contracts meant they "lost" them.
 

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Either Belle Vue thought the Fiat minibuses weren't suitable for the 288, or they've known for a while about the 288, as they returned one of the Fiat minibuses and have been using mainly deckers on the 288 recently. The X5 extension, that will replace the 288, will still require an additional vehicle, so it's possible Warrington's Own Buses won the tender with a bid that proposed it a through service. But then it's also possible TfGM looked at the funding required for an extension and went ahead with that option, instead of awarding a new tender.

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This is on the first page of Google search results for Belle Vue buses

Yellow School Bus Hire Belle Vue​


Our Yellow School Bus Hire Belle Vue are available for hire with Go Goodwins Coaches.
33, 57, 70 and 91 seat coaches available for your school outings. We offer eco friendly yellow busses, all our drivers are CRB checked and obtain CPC (Certificate of Professional Competence) accreditation. Each seat on board has a three-point seatbelt and there is no standing on any vehicle. Commitment to stringent safety checks and passenger comfort.
Yellow School Bus Hire Belle Vue
All drivers are fully competent with safety standards, we have our own in house driver training and all vehicles are inspected and maintained in house to the highest of standards.
Ring our Go Goodwins family bus and coach company for the most competitive rates on Yellow School Bus Hire Belle Vue. We will price match or even beat quotes where we have the availability.
Call today on: 0161-789-4545.


Either it's a very cheeky SEO page or you can hire one of Belle Vue's school buses through Go Goodwins!
 
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Either Belle Vue thought the Fiat minibuses weren't suitable for the 288, or they've known for a while about the 288, as they returned one of the Fiat minibuses and have been using mainly deckers on the 288 recently. The X5 extension, that will replace the 288, will still require an additional vehicle, so it's possible Warrington's Own Buses won the tender with a bid that proposed it a through service. But then it's also possible TfGM looked at the funding required for an extension and went ahead with that option, instead of awarding a new tender.

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This is on the first page of Google search results for Belle Vue buses




Either it's a very cheeky SEO page or you can hire one of Belle Vue's school buses through Go Goodwins!
If you look at the bottom of the page there's lots of links for oranges like "Yellow School Bus Hire - Denton" etc. So it will be using Belle Vue as an area name rather than the company.
 

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If you look at the bottom of the page there's lots of links for oranges like "Yellow School Bus Hire - Denton" etc. So it will be using Belle Vue as an area name rather than the company.

So it is an SEO page. I'm surprised it's still ranking in Google as I thought Google tried to penalise websites that try to attract traffic by creating lots of different pages for all the towns they serve.

Going back to who's operating the 391 and 392. I notice the Mayne buses have been tracking on the 391 and 392 recently. While on the 280 Belle Vue have been using a Fiat bus and a decker, with the decker missing out the part of the route via Warbuton. Does the 391 or 392 route have any low bridges? If not, I suspect Belle Vue aren't don't have any say in where the Mayne buses get used.
 

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The thread seems to have turned into a general discussion about operators other than the aforementioned Little Gem, so we'll bring this to a close.

 
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