had a conversation about stations in leaky tunnels the other day. how hard would it to build a station in this tunnel? how much would it cost?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bramhope_tunnel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bramhope_tunnel
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Erm....why?
asylumxl
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I'd imagine the clearance in the tunnel would be absolute minimum, and that the tunnel would collapse if any work was attempted to widen it for platforms etc.
Well, let's assume you want to build a station in a tunnel (perhaps a village on top of a long tunnel or a tunnel under a city or whatever. Most likely, you would go about it by boring a vertical shaft down to the proposed site, followed by a 45-degree shaft for the entrance and exit, sealing the tunnel with concrete from the inside, hollowing out a cavern above the roof, then working downwards on either side, then finally breaking through the tunnel lining from the outside. If that sounds expensive and laborious, it is. Much better just to build a new station at either tunnel mouth.
Indeed so, or just go home and build one on Trainz.
Moreover, it's only seven minutes between the nearest stations (Horsforth and Weeton). There'd have to be good reasons for construction of a station in a crumbling tunnel, one of which being evidence that the station would receive sufficient usage, which I severely doubt it would.
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The original plan was for Clay Cross station to be built within the tunnel.
I never happened - Understandable in the days of steam locos. However I imagine the same ventilation problems would exist for a diesel operated line.
I never happened - Understandable in the days of steam locos. However I imagine the same ventilation problems would exist for a diesel operated line.
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Not only that but throughout the tunnel the drain in the 6ft is really a large culvert running full bore all year round.. You can hear the large stones rolling along in the current. The surrounding material to the tunnel lining is absolutely sodden with fines leaking in through the walls at weep holes.
Been in there for work on quite a few occasions.
I think we've got a closed case on this project. The tunnels too old, fairly dangerous and building a station in it would just be completely pointless. Evidence that it would warrant enough use sufficient to cover the building costs is scarce (with Weeton and Horsforth just 7 minutes away) , not to mention the fact that building a station in a decaying tunnel would only serve to create millions of health and safety and form filling issues!
Xenophon PCDGS
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The Leeds - Harrogate - York line is already the subject for discussion to consider the possibilies of tram-trains, which is controversal to say the least. The OP did not say with whom he had the discussion about opening a station in a tunnel in this area. Had it been someone who had escaped from his carer and saw the OP as a target for strange logic? Are there unknown troglydytes in need of rail travel from their local tunnel?
Irregardless of this, between Horsforth and Weeton, there are not one but TWO tunnels. the longest is the Bramhope tunnel at 2 miles 241 yards in length and there is another much smaller tunnel, Wescoehill tunnel, not far from Weeton. The poulation served by this area is deemed to have adequate rail provision.
Northern Rail would view this proposal with amazement...and not a little hilarity...and consign it to the nearest waste paper basket. The more that I think on this matter, the more reason why I should have not wasted my time on this posting, save to give the information that there are TWO tunnels between the two stations.
Irregardless of this, between Horsforth and Weeton, there are not one but TWO tunnels. the longest is the Bramhope tunnel at 2 miles 241 yards in length and there is another much smaller tunnel, Wescoehill tunnel, not far from Weeton. The poulation served by this area is deemed to have adequate rail provision.
Northern Rail would view this proposal with amazement...and not a little hilarity...and consign it to the nearest waste paper basket. The more that I think on this matter, the more reason why I should have not wasted my time on this posting, save to give the information that there are TWO tunnels between the two stations.
Bramhope is quite a small place stuffed full of smug 4x4 driving knobs and their 'trophy' wives with sunglasses perched on their streaked hair and jeans several sizes too small for their backsides. These people's idea of getting to work is unlikely to involve pacers. The amount of expense to serve this community would never be worth it in several million years.
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Well after careful consideration, I think it would proberbly be a wash out.
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They built Conway Park station (Birkenhead) by excavating a tunnel. For details (but not the cost), see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway_Park_railway_station
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Well that might be true, but the depth of Conway Park, was very shallow compared to the depth of Bramhope tunnel. To dig down a box, for Bramhope, I am sure would be to expensive to be practical. Conway Park was only 60 foot down to the trackbed, so it was relatively quite a cheap option. Plus there was a great demand for a station at that point, which is actually in the centre of Birkenhead, as apossed to an area north of Leeds with a far less population.
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