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They are. Of the 50 new 230km/h Vectrons they are currently taking delivery of, 20 are capable of running into Denmark. The plan is to extend a couple of Prague-Hamburg services through to Copenhagen.
Yes, from 2026, 2 and seasonally 3 Prague - Hamburg roundtrips will be extended to Copenhagen. If ČD are smart, they will charge a premium for the more comfortable train and better on board catering than DSB.
I'm not sure whether it's very common but I've heard others use it too (I've also found this reference). The Dutch is simply "dik water".
The land doesn't need to be reclaimed, it just means it quite soft and watery, often peaty. If you walk on it, water may come up; if you stamp on it, you may see waves.
Rail lines (or any infrastructure) on such land are a challenge. I suspect rail lines need a lot of maintenance and ride quality is not always very good. Try Woerden-Leiden/Den Haag/Rotterdam.
What is it (generally) with Spanish manufacturers and being unable to produce trains that ride well? From what I understand these are some of the cheapest higher speed trains produced by a European manufacturer, given the FlixTrain order so they might reach the UK given low costs and low floors.
The Spanish AVRIL is particularly terrible since the short coaches are used as an excuse to implement 3+2 seating in standard and 2+2 in first, with horrific in-seat entertainment. Would be just about acceptable for AVLO but not for actual RENFE services.
My (admittedly limited) experience of Talgo coaches has always involved very noticeable and audible hunting movements. Not sure if hunting is the right word - I wasn't sure whether the movement was side to side or back and forth or all dimensional.
What is it (generally) with Spanish manufacturers and being unable to produce trains that ride well? From what I understand these are some of the cheapest higher speed trains produced by a European manufacturer, given the FlixTrain order so they might reach the UK given low costs and low floors.
The Spanish AVRIL is particularly terrible since the short coaches are used as an excuse to implement 3+2 seating in standard and 2+2 in first, with horrific in-seat entertainment. Would be just about acceptable for AVLO but not for actual RENFE services.
The difficulty with bringing this design to the UK is that it is by definition a low floor design (much lower than UK platform height) and so would require significant re-engineering for the UK. The optional passive tilt would also not work because the bottom swings out so would clout platforms, and the UK doesn't favour loco haulage (no room under the floor). I'd not rule out Talgo building for the UK in future, but I'd expect anything they produce to be a lot more conventional, as they can do that too.
The Spanish AVRIL is particularly terrible since the short coaches are used as an excuse to implement 3+2 seating in standard and 2+2 in first, with horrific in-seat entertainment. Would be just about acceptable for AVLO but not for actual RENFE services.
Avril (S-106) ride seems to be worse than the traditional design due to the substantial extra weight (wider, 28%-50% more seats). Made worse on the Madrid-Zaragoza HSL by the track.
Then try spanish track on traditional routes, for which the Talgo coach was designed, I find the ride in a CAF S-120 (traditional 26m coaches) often worse than a S-130 Talgo (articulated 13m coaches) on Valladold-Burgos old line.
ICE-L should be like the S-102/112/130 and hauled Talgos but on german track.
I imagine Youtube will be full of SHOCKING RIDE videos as content creators need to grab our attention, but I'll wait to see for myself what the ICE-L are like.
Yes, from 2026, 2 and seasonally 3 Prague - Hamburg roundtrips will be extended to Copenhagen. If ČD are smart, they will charge a premium for the more comfortable train and better on board catering than DSB.
The difficulty with bringing this design to the UK is that it is by definition a low floor design (much lower than UK platform height) and so would require significant re-engineering for the UK. The optional passive tilt would also not work because the bottom swings out so would clout platforms, and the UK doesn't favour loco haulage (no room under the floor). I'd not rule out Talgo building for the UK in future, but I'd expect anything they produce to be a lot more conventional, as they can do that too.
Egypt has higher floor Talgo stock, hauled by Class 66s too! Not that I want to encourage them.
Talgo only seems to build proper trains with good suspension when they are under license, for example Talgo Transtech double-deckers (now bought out by Škoda) in Finland, and TVMH sleepers in Kazakhstan (factory now sold to Stadler, who are building their own stuff there).
I don't think there are any more examples, other than random claims of building commuter units that nobody ever bought. Maybe the HS2 proposal was a normal train too.
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Avril (S-106) ride seems to be worse than the traditional design due to the substantial extra weight (wider, 28%-50% more seats). Made worse on the Madrid-Zaragoza HSL by the track.
Then try spanish track on traditional routes, for which the Talgo coach was designed, I find the ride in a CAF S-120 (traditional 26m coaches) often worse than a S-130 Talgo (articulated 13m coaches) on Valladold-Burgos old line.
ICE-L should be like the S-102/112/130 and hauled Talgos but on german track.
I imagine Youtube will be full of SHOCKING RIDE videos as content creators need to grab our attention, but I'll wait to see for myself what the ICE-L are like.
If that turns out to be the case, then is it unjustified? If these trains ride like other Talgo stock, then it is a huge problem that should rightfully be highlighted.
