Impact of Government Budget Changes

[matacaster]

Cost: that of shifting maintenance (whcih will be a lot to renegotiate the Hitschi contract), driver training, etc.

Benefit: very very negative.

Therefore a negative BCR.

Oh well, some ideas don't fly!

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

1) LNER costs are much higher now than Pre Covid.
2) There’s essentially 2 parts of the LNER operation that make money: London - Edinburgh and London - Leeds. Some big savings to be had elsewhere. Not very popular, obviously.

Unlikely that LNER will be progressing an order for more trains then?

 

[JonathanH]

Unlikely that LNER will be progressing an order for more trains then?

Perhaps the best solution for LNER to rid itself of the Mk4s will be diversion of the 807s that Avanti won't have the resources to operate (although that in itself still represents extra costs into the LNER operation relative to reshuffling things to concentrate on core routes with its existing 80x stock which by far is the best solution purely from a cost point of view).

 

[Bald Rick]

Perhaps the best solution for LNER to rid itself of the Mk4s will be diversion of the 807s that Avanti won't have the resources to operate (although that in itself still represents extra costs into the LNER operation relative to reshuffling things to concentrate on core routes with its existing 80x stock which by far is the best solution purely from a cost point of view).

I’d say the ‘best‘ solution is rather more dramatic than that, although that does depend how you define ‘best’.

 

[zwk500]

I’d say the ‘best‘ solution is rather more dramatic than that, although that does depend how you define ‘best’.

Would this solution involve running less trains in total?

 

[Bald Rick]

Would this solution involve running less trains in total?

Only a few less. But definitely less mileage. Especially off the wires.

These are my thoughts only!

 

[TheBigD]

Would this solution involve running less trains in total?

The recent Harrogate extensions require an 9/10 car set (though a number are just 5 car at present) and are away from the main ECML for 2 hours at a time.
Lincoln extensions require an extra 5 car and have a 90 minute layover in Lincoln.
The Middlesbrough single sercice each way ties up another 5 car.

Those sets would pretty much remove the current need for 91s/mk4s.

I'm not advocating for their removal, but they do seem low hanging fruit, especially if you remember how Intercity reduced the off main route services back in the early 1990s.