Hybrid Units List

[D365]

If they get a future outside of TfW, they could be reformed. But I doubt that.

Indeed. Other than 'neatness', why would it be necessary.

 

[158841]

They had a 150/2 formed of two 57 vehicles from different 150/2s so the composite unit had no toilet. I don't remember a 150/1+2 combo but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

150209 was the culprit!

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I know a few from years ago
A coach from each of 158820/861 formed a hybrid unit with one coach of each, one was in Arriva TW blue with a silver alphaline (maroon doors) at the other end!
Unsure of dates but a 158/153 formed a combo for a while with Wales and Borders!

 

[fgwrich]

150209 was the culprit!

Spot on. Having spent many a year as part of the West Midlands 150/0 fleet, 209 then became homeless for a while as their surrogate /1 cars had already been reformed and sent off to Northern and First Great Western. After a period of storage in Eastleigh works, they transferred to FGW initially finding themselves in 150121 & 150127 (remembered to 921 & 927) before later moving into 150125 & 150126 (925 & 926).

After a period of time back together at Northern, 57209 & 57212 have been split again with 57209 operating as part of 150003 (150116 + 57209) and 57212 as part of 150004 (150112 + 57212).

There were at one point plans conceived to fit a toilet to either one of the to vehicles but it never happened and there’s little point now.

As for where the other vehicle is, Its career with BR was short lived, when car 52209 was written off after a fatal incident near St Helens on the 12/11/1988.

 

[43096]

As for where the other vehicle is, Its career with BR was short lived, when car 52209 was written off after a fatal incident near St Helens on the 12/11/1988.

57212 also became an "orphan" very early on - 52212 was written off in a collision with a civil engineer's crane at Seamer on 15/09/1987.

 

[fgwrich]

57212 also became an "orphan" very early on - 52212 was written off in a collision with a civil engineer's crane at Seamer on 15/09/1987.

Cheers, I’d forgotten the location of 212’s fatal accident.

They’ve certainly had rather unlucky histories and look destined to spend their lives as surrogate vehicles.

 

[D365]

They’ve certainly had rather unlucky histories and look destined to spend their lives as surrogate vehicles.

No harm in that. It does seem that Northern has found a twilight home for the 'prototype' 150/0s and 'hybrid' 3 car 150s.

 

[Nym]

No harm in that. It does seem that Northern has found a twilight home for the 'prototype' 150/0s and 'hybrid' 3 car 150s.

150 001 and 002 are hardly “trouble free” at Northern at the moment it feels like they’re more a set decoration at Neville Hill with the occasional outing than anything else.

 

[sad1e]

Couldn''t the majority of LUL stock other than the S Stock be considered Misformed as the vast majority has been split and reformed alongside a different half set at some point in its life. I don't think I've seen a 72TS in its original as delivered formation ever.

Eg: 96034 should be formed with 96035 but is instead formed with 96064.

 

[bluegoblin7]

Couldn''t the majority of LUL stock other than the S Stock be considered Misformed as the vast majority has been split and reformed alongside a different half set at some point in its life. I don't think I've seen a 72TS in its original as delivered formation ever.

Eg: 96034 should be formed with 96035 but is instead formed with 96064.

Traditional LUL stock has always been considered 'half sets', and it's only in recent years that the tradition has been broken. The S stock is the first 'truly' fixed-formation fleet, although in theory it could still be split and reformed if circumstances required. The 2009 stock are also de facto fixed formation and are all in their original half sets; the 1995 stock largely the case also, with a handful of reformations. The 2024 stock will take the S stock logic further and is an entirely fixed formation train.

72, 73, 92 and 96 half (or quarter) sets are designed to be split, although for many years prior to refurb the 1996 stock did remain with their as-delivered partners due to some incompatibilities.

There are a few mismatched sets out there - most notably with the 72 and 73TS - but as is traditional on LUL the majority of these have been re-numbered to be in sequence, so aren't immediately apparent.

1972 stock

Original car numbers	Current car numbers	Reason
3357-4357-4257	3299-4299-4399	Renumbered after derailment led to scrapping of 3257. Unique, single-ended 4-car unit
3439	3399	Replacement UNDM following derailment of 3257.
3349-4349	3366-4366	Replaced collision damaged units and reformed
3324-4324	3266-4266	Remainder of unit collision damaged and scrapped. 1972Mk1 TS refurbished, reformed and transferred to Bakerloo line
3203-4203-4303-3303	3264-4264-4364-3364	1972Mk1 TS refurbished and transferred to Bakerloo line
3218-4218-4318-3318	3265-4265-4365-3365	1972Mk1 TS refurbished and transferred to Bakerloo line
3210-4210-4310-3310	3267-4267-4367-3367	1972Mk1 TS refurbished and transferred to Bakerloo line
3501-4501-3401	3564-4564-3464	1972Mk1 TS refurbished and transferred to Bakerloo line
3507-4507-3407	3565-4565-3465	1972Mk1 TS refurbished and transferred to Bakerloo line
3524-4524-3424	3566-4566-3466	1972Mk1 TS refurbished and transferred to Bakerloo line
3524-4524-3424	3567-4567-3467	1972Mk1 TS refurbished and transferred to Bakerloo line

1973 stock

Original car number	Current car number	Reason
114	896	Replaced fire-damaged DM 888, whole set renumbered
514	999666	Repurposed as Track Recording Car
688	696	Car renumbered after reformation
889	897	Car renumbered after reformation

1995 stock
As mentioned, these aren't necessarily 'true' hybrid formations, but these trains are rarely reformed and can in practice be considered 'fixed formation'.

Current pairing	Original pairing
51551+51711	51551+51552
51567+51552	51567+51711
51525+51717	51525+51725
51609+51705	51609+51717
51665+51725	51665+51705
51557+51530	51557+51556
51531+51556	51531+51530

S stock
M2(D) car 25386 is now permanently part of unit 21324, the sole-remaining S7+1. This was built for S7 stock train 21386, but was reformed as part of the delays to delivery of Met line S8s. It was later made permanent as the 'extra' train for Watford Junction, and a new M2 car (23386) was built for 21386. Unusually for LU, the car retains its original number.