Hull - Leeds

[YorkshireRider]

Journey planners don't give that as an option so I wouldn't have thought many people would think of using that particular route (and even if you specify via DON or YRK in a planner it it says no fares have been found). So I would say 1tph is a poor service.



Yeah normally a 170 occasionally doubled up and sometimes a 185 turns up as well during the peak. I have actually been on a doubled up 185 on this service but it was quite late at night so probably just a positioning move.

Sorry i dont think my previous post was very clear, my fault, what i meant was that passengers travelling to Hull from north of york or south of doncaster would change at those stations and not Leeds, therefore the demand in my opinion from west yorks/north west to Hull has been catered for with 1tph, and thats born out by the fact they use 2 car class170s.

 

[yorkie]

Here are my views on this:

Hull-Leeds isn't valid via Donny but it is not ridiculous, nor is it unreasonable. We were asked if it was valid. The answer is no, it isn't. Rail staff accepted it because it was reasonable. That does not make rail staff "wrong" and it does not make us "wrong" either.

The Routeing Guide isn't perfect, but it does protect customers, to some extent. Guards accept reasonable routes, and valid routes that they are unsure about can be queried and the customer should be allowed travel. That is a much better system than pricing passengers per mile (I always ask how do you price Grantham-Nottingham/Grantham-Leicester (valid via Nottingham) and no-one who champions mileage based pricing ever gives me a suitable answer!) and it is much better than the previous system of only allowing "reasonable" routes with each guard having their own idea of reasonableness.

1tph isn't great, but Hull is a branch line, and there are occasional additional opportunities to travel by changing at Selby. Many guards will show discretion (particularly if you're nice to them) and allow you to travel via York or Donny, particularly in the circumstances described.

Just what is the problem here?!

The OP received correct advice, and was then given suitable discretion (which, to be fair, most guards would give under the circumstances), no-one was "wrong".

York-Hull is valid via Donny, so Leeds probably should be too. So, why not write to ATOC and suggest it? In the mean time, ask guards politely and most will show discretion.

 

[ainsworth74]

Sorry i dont think my previous post was very clear, my fault, what i meant was that passengers travelling to Hull from north of york or south of doncaster would change at those stations and not Leeds,

Ahh that does make far more sense! And you are of course right no one from north or south would change at Leeds to get to Hull.

 

[sheff1]

That is a much better system than pricing passengers per mile (I always ask how do you price Grantham-Nottingham/Grantham-Leicester (valid via Nottingham) and no one who champions mileage based pricing ever gives me a suitable answer!)

I have not seen the previous discussion on this, so apologies if I have misunderstood. I prefer the German base fare structure where the ticket is priced on distance and the type of train you take (in effect, a supplement for InterCity trains). The system is predicated around single tickets and each is priced depending on the route you want to to travel. If buying at a machine, you enter your destination and the next few trains are shown with the price for each one. You could, say, have the choice of a shorter,cheaper route with more changes or a longer, dearer route with one change.**

So Grantham - Nottingham direct could be say £7; Grantham - Leicester via Nottingham might be £11; Grantham - Leicester via Peterborough might be £14(I have guessed this is a longer route). If you wanted to go Grantham- Nottingham- Derby-Leicester that would have its' own price etc etc .

** As an aside, you can book a ticket starting from any station, not just the one you are standing at, and for any time over the next few days - the fare remains the same for the same distance/combination of trains. Stopovers (break of journey) can be included if desired, as can routings via 'unusual' points. The routing points are printed on the ticket. Everything is transparent and your schedule (including platform details at each interchange station) can also be printed off.
Exactly the same tickets can be booked online and printed off at home if required.

 

[Andrew Nelson]

I have not seen the previous discussion on this, so apologies if I have misunderstood. I prefer the German base fare structure where the ticket is priced on distance and the type of train you take (in effect, a supplement for InterCity trains). The system is predicated around single tickets and each is priced depending on the route you want to to travel. If buying at a machine, you enter your destination and the next few trains are shown with the price for each one. You could, say, have the choice of a shorter,cheaper route with more changes or a longer, dearer route with one change.**

So Grantham - Nottingham direct could be say £7; Grantham - Leicester via Nottingham might be £11; Grantham - Leicester via Peterborough might be £14(I have guessed this is a longer route). If you wanted to go Grantham- Nottingham- Derby-Leicester that would have its' own price etc etc .

** As an aside, you can book a ticket starting from any station, not just the one you are standing at, and for any time over the next few days - the fare remains the same for the same distance/combination of trains. Stopovers (break of journey) can be included if desired, as can routings via 'unusual' points. The routing points are printed on the ticket. Everything is transparent and your schedule (including platform details at each interchange station) can also be printed off.
Exactly the same tickets can be booked online and printed off at home if required.

That's one of the most sensible system I've ever heard of.