How will the WCML work when HS2 reaches Handsacre and no further ?.

[Peter Sarf]

A cursory look on Realtimetrains at today's allocations suggests this isn't true.

My collection is that Manchester being the highest frequency route has the highest proportion of 9-car workings.

I hope so.

 

[Nottingham59]

A cursory look on Realtimetrains at today's allocations suggests this isn't true.

My collection is that Manchester being the highest frequency route has the highest proportion of 9-car workings.

My understanding is that trains via Wilmslow are usually 9-car, because both southbound platforms are around 220m long.

 

[43074]

My understanding is that trains via Wilmslow are usually 9-car, because both southbound platforms are around 220m long.

There's a roughly 60/40 split of 9- and 11-car Pendolinos respectively via Wilmslow, and probably a similar proportion across all 3tph on the Manchester route including trains via Stoke going off the RTT allocations today

 

[Bletchleyite]

My understanding is that trains via Wilmslow are usually 9-car, because both southbound platforms are around 220m long.

11 car Pendolinos can SDO down from 11 to 9, so it doesn't matter. The only platform on Avanti's network that is an issue is Liverpool South Parkway hence the 807s.

 

[The Planner]

My understanding is that trains via Wilmslow are usually 9-car, because both southbound platforms are around 220m long.

Way bigger than that. 3 is 320m, 4 is 275m. An 11 car is 265m long. P2 is the only one thats short.

 

[Nottingham59]

Way bigger than that. 3 is 320m, 4 is 275m. An 11 car is 265m long. P2 is the only one thats short.

OK. Thanks. Looks like railwaydata is wrong then

https://www.railwaydata.co.uk/stations/overview/?TLC=WML

 

[BrianW]

There was a proposal to upgrade the class 390s to 140mph, which they were designed for. That would make use of the new tracks, but would also allow tilt to be used on the existing WCML beyond Preston. The timings to Glasgow then wouldn't be downgraded as they certainly would be using non-tilt trains without HS2 phase 2a.

The huge spanner in the works is the delayed completion time for HS2 London to Birmingham, also with all Handsacre work on hold. The 390s are likely to be life-expired by the time Handsacre is in use, so speculation about using them on HS2 has become almost pointless.

The magnitude of the HS2 cock-ups expands every time it's discussed.

.. delayed completion time... ; ... cock-ups ... to which we maight add pooer initial estimates , starting too soon, i.e with insufficiently considered schemes, optimism bias, ... Uk is sadly not too different from grand EU ideas:

Why is the EU’s flagship Trans-European Transport Network delayed? - Global Construction Review

A report last month laid bare the extent to which the Trans-European Transport Network (TEN-T) – a planned multimodal network stretching from Norway’s northern tip to southern Spain in the south west and the Baltic states and Bulgaria in the east – will miss its 2030 deadline to complete its...

www.globalconstructionreview.com

 

[The Planner]

OK. Thanks. Looks like railwaydata is wrong then

https://www.railwaydata.co.uk/stations/overview/?TLC=WML

Always use the sectional appendix, even if that is often unreliable.

 

[The Ham]

Always use the sectional appendix, even if that is often unreliable.

Is this publicly available? As I believe that there's been changes to how it's accessed.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Is this publicly available? As I believe that there's been changes to how it's accessed.

It's avaliable on Network rail's website (bottom of the page on https://www.networkrail.co.uk/indus...ators/national-electronic-sectional-appendix/), and https://vaildata.uk/sa?lor=NW6009&seq=003&name= is also a good viewer of it (although some pages are missing).

 

[Vexed]

and https://vaildata.uk/sa?lor=NW6009&seq=003&name= is also a good viewer of it (although some pages are missing).

I'd forgot that part of my website was public . The gaps will get filled eventually, it's just a right pain extracting data from the images embedded in the original PDF files as it feels like each one is a different resolution with different sized margins!

 

[The Ham]

It's avaliable on Network rail's website (bottom of the page on https://www.networkrail.co.uk/indus...ators/national-electronic-sectional-appendix/), and https://vaildata.uk/sa?lor=NW6009&seq=003&name= is also a good viewer of it (although some pages are missing).

Thanks