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HELP Got caught using my mums 60+ oyster TFL

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Fawkes Cat

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Yes that is what I am afraid of, I don’t have much evidence apart from my oyster card journey history which I have a feeling I will not be able to get because can only access the last 9 weeks.

I want it to be a fair and just process, but at the same time I cba to do this all again so might as well plead guilty to the other offences, and as Hadders has mentioned wipe the slate clean.
Realistically, TfL, the court and you will all want to deal with this at one sitting. So if you are sure that you didn't make some of the journeys, say so, and I would expect them to accept your word, so that they can set the fine and compensation all on the same day.

But you need to be certain that you didn't make the journeys: at this stage you don't know if TfL have evidence of the journeys you are arguing about: if it turns out that they can prove that you are lying over even one of the times, then why should they believe you for any of the other cases? So think really hard before challenging any of the journeys.
 
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UPDATE: I had my court hearing recently at Lavender Hill Magistrates and ended up with a £700 fine. It is unclear whether you do get something on your criminal record as they don’t state this at the end - all they tell you is the fine amount and when you can pay it by.

If you are curious about what to expect, as I was beforehand, please continue reading. This is an anecdotal experience so it might differ…

I was quite nervous about the whole process as I didn’t know what to expect. I did feel like it was a bit unorganised as I had sent a letter (Royal Mail 48 tracked) but it appeared that the judge (or judges?) had not received it. I didn’t ask if they had received it (I’m a non confrontational person and a bit shy, and I was crying and quite emotional at the time), but they didn’t mention anything about it so i’m presuming they did not receive it. I had included some stuff in the letter that I was expecting them to read, or speak about but nothing came up about it.

When entering the Magistrates Court, you have to place your bag/s in a plastic basket, have the security guards look through the bag/s, then walk through the metal detectors. I had arrived and was not aware of how the process worked. I found it difficult to understand the security guard, as he wasn’t speaking much and just signalling, but not in a way that I found helpful. I ended up placing my bags in the basket and walked through the metal detectors without getting my bags checked first. After I did this he proceeded to laugh at me which made me feel utterly humiliated, and I burst into tears. I have to admit, I can get emotional sometimes, but coupled with the nature of why I was there did not help. I won’t get too much into detail here, but I will be writing a complaint about this. To add, I’m not sure if it was because I was also a young single woman entering the building, he felt like he could do this. I imagine if I was with a man, or if I was a man, this would not happen. This part honestly still makes me upset to think about, and I recommend anyone who is a young woman to go with a partner if possible.

Once you have entered, you need to make yourself known to the register keeper. She made it quite known that you had to make her aware, so it definitely can’t be missed. After some waiting, you are then called to speak to the person representing TfL. I was led into a small room, and we went through the details of my case, and the additional journeys that I was accused of making. I made it known to him that I did not make all of the journeys, only some of them, so he finalised the amount that they will be requesting. After that was done, I did a bit more waiting then I was called into the court room. I was asked whether I plead guilty or not guilty (I plead guilty), and was offered a chance to read out my plea. I was quite emotional and crying, so I could not read my plea, but someone else in the court room read it for me. They also took the MC100 form from me. After that, the judges discussed amongst themselves (I heard them mentioning a band A if anyone knows what that means), gave me a breakdown of the fine, the total sum and when I am able to pay it. They have given me 7 days to pay it off.

All in all, it was quite a straightforward process, however I never want to be in that position ever again. Good luck to anyone reading this and pending a court hearing.
 

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Thanks for updating us. Attending court can be a stressful experience, if someone does have to go to court it can be useful to attend a couple of weeks before the case and watch some cases from the public gallery to find out what goes on and what to expect.
 

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UPDATE: I had my court hearing recently at Lavender Hill Magistrates and ended up with a £700 fine. It is unclear whether you do get something on your criminal record as they don’t state this at the end - all they tell you is the fine amount and when you can pay it by.

If you are curious about what to expect, as I was beforehand, please continue reading. This is an anecdotal experience so it might differ…

I was quite nervous about the whole process as I didn’t know what to expect. I did feel like it was a bit unorganised as I had sent a letter (Royal Mail 48 tracked) but it appeared that the judge (or judges?) had not received it. I didn’t ask if they had received it (I’m a non confrontational person and a bit shy, and I was crying and quite emotional at the time), but they didn’t mention anything about it so i’m presuming they did not receive it. I had included some stuff in the letter that I was expecting them to read, or speak about but nothing came up about it.

When entering the Magistrates Court, you have to place your bag/s in a plastic basket, have the security guards look through the bag/s, then walk through the metal detectors. I had arrived and was not aware of how the process worked. I found it difficult to understand the security guard, as he wasn’t speaking much and just signalling, but not in a way that I found helpful. I ended up placing my bags in the basket and walked through the metal detectors without getting my bags checked first. After I did this he proceeded to laugh at me which made me feel utterly humiliated, and I burst into tears. I have to admit, I can get emotional sometimes, but coupled with the nature of why I was there did not help. I won’t get too much into detail here, but I will be writing a complaint about this. To add, I’m not sure if it was because I was also a young single woman entering the building, he felt like he could do this. I imagine if I was with a man, or if I was a man, this would not happen. This part honestly still makes me upset to think about, and I recommend anyone who is a young woman to go with a partner if possible.

Once you have entered, you need to make yourself known to the register keeper. She made it quite known that you had to make her aware, so it definitely can’t be missed. After some waiting, you are then called to speak to the person representing TfL. I was led into a small room, and we went through the details of my case, and the additional journeys that I was accused of making. I made it known to him that I did not make all of the journeys, only some of them, so he finalised the amount that they will be requesting. After that was done, I did a bit more waiting then I was called into the court room. I was asked whether I plead guilty or not guilty (I plead guilty), and was offered a chance to read out my plea. I was quite emotional and crying, so I could not read my plea, but someone else in the court room read it for me. They also took the MC100 form from me. After that, the judges discussed amongst themselves (I heard them mentioning a band A if anyone knows what that means), gave me a breakdown of the fine, the total sum and when I am able to pay it. They have given me 7 days to pay it off.

All in all, it was quite a straightforward process, however I never want to be in that position ever again. Good luck to anyone reading this and pending a court hearing.
Thank you for the update and I am so sorry you have to go through this. May i ask how did they come up with the 700£ fine as you declined some journeies and there should not be a lot left?
 

kb6764

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Thank you for the update and I am so sorry you have to go through this. May i ask how did they come up with the 700£ fine as you declined some journeies and there should not be a lot left?
It was a bit over £700, but I rounded down.
It was a standard £375 for the court fees I think tfl had to pay to take me to court, victim charge, and other costs. They simply gave me a leaflet with the costs written down individually, but no breakdown. From the top of my head, I believe the breakdown goes as follows:
£375 - tfl court cost
£200 - Percent from my wage?
£96 - victim charge
£67 - the cost of of journeys
 

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UPDATE: I had my court hearing recently at Lavender Hill Magistrates and ended up with a £700 fine. It is unclear whether you do get something on your criminal record as they don’t state this at the end - all they tell you is the fine amount and when you can pay it by.

If you are curious about what to expect, as I was beforehand, please continue reading. This is an anecdotal experience so it might differ…

I was quite nervous about the whole process as I didn’t know what to expect. I did feel like it was a bit unorganised as I had sent a letter (Royal Mail 48 tracked) but it appeared that the judge (or judges?) had not received it. I didn’t ask if they had received it (I’m a non confrontational person and a bit shy, and I was crying and quite emotional at the time), but they didn’t mention anything about it so i’m presuming they did not receive it. I had included some stuff in the letter that I was expecting them to read, or speak about but nothing came up about it.

When entering the Magistrates Court, you have to place your bag/s in a plastic basket, have the security guards look through the bag/s, then walk through the metal detectors. I had arrived and was not aware of how the process worked. I found it difficult to understand the security guard, as he wasn’t speaking much and just signalling, but not in a way that I found helpful. I ended up placing my bags in the basket and walked through the metal detectors without getting my bags checked first. After I did this he proceeded to laugh at me which made me feel utterly humiliated, and I burst into tears. I have to admit, I can get emotional sometimes, but coupled with the nature of why I was there did not help. I won’t get too much into detail here, but I will be writing a complaint about this. To add, I’m not sure if it was because I was also a young single woman entering the building, he felt like he could do this. I imagine if I was with a man, or if I was a man, this would not happen. This part honestly still makes me upset to think about, and I recommend anyone who is a young woman to go with a partner if possible.

Once you have entered, you need to make yourself known to the register keeper. She made it quite known that you had to make her aware, so it definitely can’t be missed. After some waiting, you are then called to speak to the person representing TfL. I was led into a small room, and we went through the details of my case, and the additional journeys that I was accused of making. I made it known to him that I did not make all of the journeys, only some of them, so he finalised the amount that they will be requesting. After that was done, I did a bit more waiting then I was called into the court room. I was asked whether I plead guilty or not guilty (I plead guilty), and was offered a chance to read out my plea. I was quite emotional and crying, so I could not read my plea, but someone else in the court room read it for me. They also took the MC100 form from me. After that, the judges discussed amongst themselves (I heard them mentioning a band A if anyone knows what that means), gave me a breakdown of the fine, the total sum and when I am able to pay it. They have given me 7 days to pay it off.

All in all, it was quite a straightforward process, however I never want to be in that position ever again. Good luck to anyone reading this and pending a court hearing.
Thanks for updating and giving such an open and honest account of how the appearance was for you. I think that will be of help to others in future.
 

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For the benefit of anyone considering sending something to a court for the Judge / Magistrates or Panel to read and take into account.

Make sure that the document arrives at the correspondence address at least 72 hours before the case is due to be heard*. The Clerk of the Court / Administration Officer will have to send the document to the Judge / Magistrate / Panel usually electronically. Make sure it is clearly labelled with the case number defendants name what it is and dated.

On the day you can ask the Judge etc if they have seen it. It is so much easier if you ask something like "Have you seen my mitigation dated ......."

Take additional copies with you so if they haven't been seen by the Judge etc they can be handed over.

*For some cases Case Management Directions are issued which will state if there is a deadline for submissions to be received. Typically these are 3 or 2 weeks before the hearing date. Make sure you abide by the Directions as a failure to do so will be looked on unfavourably by the Judge etc.
 

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Pardon if you're not comfortable answering, but were there ultimately any effects of this conviction on your financial career?
It was a bit over £700, but I rounded down.
It was a standard £375 for the court fees I think tfl had to pay to take me to court, victim charge, and other costs. They simply gave me a leaflet with the costs written down individually, but no breakdown. From the top of my head, I believe the breakdown goes as follows:
£375 - tfl court cost
£200 - Percent from my wage?
£96 - victim charge
£67 - the cost of of journeys
 

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Pardon if you're not comfortable answering, but were there ultimately any effects of this conviction on your financial career?

this is a criminal conviction, a fine.

For professions covered by the "protected convictions" regime, there would typically be an ongoing duty to disclose any convictions, which would apply here.

So for example, a financial adviser or an Approved Person in a financial services business.

However most jobs in financial services not considered to be of such a high level of probity, and there would not be a duty to disclose it.

For future employment the job would be considered spent after 1 year for normal jobs (hence not disclosable), and protected (not disclosable) after 11 years for the high-probity jobs.
 
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