Greater Anglia Prosecution - seeking advice

[WesternLancer]

I think this has already been said, but to summarise:
- OP's account is possible, but unlikely.
- that being the case, in practice a court would expect OP to produce evidence to prove every point of their story
- if they can't or won't do that, the best bet is to try to get the railway to agree to an out of court settlement.

Agreed. On your final point haven’t the railway essentially offered an out of court settlement in that letter. So paying that sum is a straight forward option.

 

[AlterEgo]

I'm not sure I'd like the image of the ticket to be further investigated if I was the OP. I'd pay the settlement.

 

[321362]

The OP hasn't responded since difficult questions started being asked. We may or may not draw our own conclusions from that. But unless and until they come back there really isn't much else to add is there?

OP was last online Thursday 23:45. They likely haven't seen the difficult questions and theories.

 

[Starmill]

This is the ticket machine at Metrocentre, as of Sept 2021. The aerial photos available via Google Earth appear to show no further change as of April 2023.

It's worth noting for those unfamiliar, that Metrocentre has nothing to do with the Newcastle Metro, and no Metro services serve the station (only Northern Rail).

I don't think there's any chance that the pictured machine could have produced the ticket we've been shown.

 

[furlong]

At this stage I think understanding the inconsistencies on the ticket is very important. If the OP can show that the ticket contains anomalies indicating errors in the railway's ticket issuing and printing systems (and these categories of errors are not unknown), this can only strengthen the OP's case. Such anomalies may have led to suspicion of wrong-doing falling unfairly on the OP, when in truth the fault lay elsewhere. Pointing out the railway's mistakes may go some way towards reinforcing the accuracy of the OP's account.

Did you actually pay £2.90 or £4.60 for the ticket (or something else)? Please check your records. The printed ticket is not supposed to exist. It is a hybrid of two tickets.

Please confirm where it was purchased from: which website or agency?

Did you make that purchase transaction on the day of travel or on a previous day? What day and time did you buy it?

How exactly did you pay for it? (e.g. Google or Apple Pay, Mastercard Credit, Visa Debit, PayPal - which card issuer? etc.)

Also pull together whatever evidence you can that supports the fact you were in or near Mountfichet all day.

 

[Haywain]

If the OP can show that the ticket contains anomalies indicating errors in the railway's ticket issuing and printing systems (and these categories of errors are not unknown), this can only strengthen the OP's case.

I think you are completely misreading what the inconsistencies are, almost certainly, showing and they are extremely damaging to the OP's case.

 

[furlong]

I think you are completely misreading what the inconsistencies are, almost certainly, showing and they are extremely damaging to the OP's case.

The starting point is to explain how an Off-Peak Day Single was issued for £4.60. If the railway's systems were working correctly that would be completely impossible. If it's established that that really happened then all bets are off. (Try relying on a piece of data when part of it has already been proved to be corrupt...) The key step would be to look up the CTR.

(There are of course other unusual aspects to this ticket that for obvious reasons people aren't discussing in the thread and which internal data could easily resolve. Anyone near Mountfichet who fancies collecting their next tickets from there? Or from Metrocentre?)

 

[Haywain]

The starting point is to explain how an Off-Peak Day Single was issued for £4.60. If the railway's systems were working correctly that would be completely impossible. If it's established that that really happened then all bets are off. (Try relying on a piece of data when part of it has already been proved to be corrupt...) The key step would be to look up the CTR.

(There are of course other unusual aspects to this ticket that for obvious reasons people aren't discussing in the thread and which internal data could easily resolve. Anyone near Mountfichet who fancies collecting their next tickets from there? Or from Metrocentre?)

You are being very naive about that ticket.

 

[WesternLancer]

I don’t think the op has been back since post #7 and this is post 69.

It may be possible to draw conclusions from that which may or may not be fair.

 

[gingerheid]

This may be naivety on my part, but if someone was going to forge a ticket for one stop, why wouldn't they forge a ticket for the entire journey?

 

[Starmill]

You are being very naive about that ticket.

So what's happening with the ticket then? What's your explanation?

 

[Haywain]

This may be naivety on my part, but if someone was going to forge a ticket for one stop, why wouldn't they forge a ticket for the entire journey?

That may depend on how many times they've got away with it before.

 

[KirkstallOne]

I hope OP does come back as I am curious about this ticket.

 

[reb0118]

This may be naivety on my part, but if someone was going to forge a ticket for one stop, why wouldn't they forge a ticket for the entire journey?

Possibly similarly to using a cloned bankcard to purchase a small item. Basically, to test the waters with a low value, and resultant perception of low risk, transaction.