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I noticed this the other day while in the area - an extension of the busway south from Tichborne Way to Rowner Road is due for completion this autumn. At only half a mile long, it won’t make a huge dent in Fareham - Gosport journey times, but at least it will allow buses to bypass more residential roads.

Assuming the E1 and E2 routes get diverted along the extension, this would leave Tichborne Way and Forest Way without a bus service. As with other estates further north, passengers from these estates may be expected to walk to new stops on the busway, but at the expense of extra travel time unless living right next to it. Perhaps other conventional routes might be diverted to serve these estates or even new Eclipse branded routes.

Also considering that this extension won’t bypass the congestion in the Elson and Brockhurst areas of Gosport, is it likely that the busway will be extended even further south in the future? Looking at maps the old railway is occupied by a cycle track with wide grass verges as far as Lees Lane/Whitworth Road, so can’t see space being an issue up to this point.
 
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Extension is possible as you say but the law of diminishing returns is in play already. The latest extension opens up the possibility of access to Rowner and Lee on Solent and the Daedalus Enterprise Zone and I expect an E3 to appear at some point after opening, serving some or all of these areas.

Meanwhile in the real world, off peak daytime frequency will be down to 24 minutes on each service due to driver availability from Sept 26th.

Unfortunately the latest extension means that the walk from a newish
shopping arcade to
the bus stop is drastically increased. The cost benefit analysis on the business case might make interesting reading I suspect....
 

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A new, improved busway from Sunday 5 December 2021!


From 5 December 2021, E1 & E2 buses will serve the newly extended busway. The extended busway will make journeys faster and more reliable.


Residents of Tichborne Way, Forest Way and Fareham Road will be able to walk through to the new ‘Oakdene’ and ‘Leisure Centre’ bus stops on the busway.
 

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I just can’t see how the core bus route can be of any benefit to the Daedalus “enterprise zone”? Am I missing something?
 

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Wasn’t there some talk about a new E3 route from Fareham to Daedalus or something?
 

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Wasn’t there some talk about a new E3 route from Fareham to Daedalus or something?
Yes. However given they are struggling for drivers on the existing routes (now each on a 24 minute frequency, not exactly memorable) I don't think it will appear any time soon sadly.......
 

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Extension is possible as you say but the law of diminishing returns is in play already. The latest extension opens up the possibility of access to Rowner and Lee on Solent and the Daedalus Enterprise Zone and I expect an E3 to appear at some point after opening, serving some or all of these areas.

Meanwhile in the real world, off peak daytime frequency will be down to 24 minutes on each service due to driver availability from Sept 26th.

Unfortunately the latest extension means that the walk from a newish
shopping arcade to
the bus stop is drastically increased. The cost benefit analysis on the business case might make interesting reading I suspect....
Certainly a struggle to fully understand how any significant benefits can be achieved. Any idea of the cost and who paid (company contribution on top of council?)
 

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Certainly a struggle to fully understand how any significant benefits can be achieved. Any idea of the cost and who paid (company contribution on top of council?)
All council/government money AFAIK.

First agreed to renew fleet in 2022, but I think that would have happened anyway.
 

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All council/government money AFAIK.

First agreed to renew fleet in 2022, but I think that would have happened anyway.
I think that the Eclipse operation is mandated to have a fleet no older than 5 years or something. Certainly, the 2012 B7RLEs were replaced at 4.5 years and then the three additional ones (2013) were replaced the following year.

The current fleet has just hit 5 years but guess there was a bit of leeway given the changes and pandemic.
 

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I think that the Eclipse operation is mandated to have a fleet no older than 5 years or something. Certainly, the 2012 B7RLEs were replaced at 4.5 years and then the three additional ones (2013) were replaced the following year.

The current fleet has just hit 5 years but guess there was a bit of leeway given the changes and pandemic.
I'm told the new buses are in build, but I haven't been able to find out where.........
 

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Wasn’t there some talk about a new E3 route from Fareham to Daedalus or something?
The 2012ish future bus scheme report by HCC mentioned a Daedalus to Fareham service via the improved Newgate Lane, only making use of the last northern leg of the busway, and the priority measures along Redlands Lane and near the station. But that’s nothing to do with the current extension.
 

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The 2012ish future bus scheme report by HCC mentioned a Daedalus to Fareham service via the improved Newgate Lane, only making use of the last northern leg of the busway, and the priority measures along Redlands Lane and near the station. But that’s nothing to do with the current extension.
So not too dissimilar to the 9/9A which also use the northern section of the busway but don’t have E prefixes. Speaking of which I think it might be an idea to divert the 9A down the busway and Tichborne Way, and renumber that as the E3 so Rowner has a faster link to Fareham.

Additionally, the 11 could be diverted via Forest Way to ensure that road is still served once the E2 is diverted down the busway extension.
 
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