Glossop Query

[M60lad]

Is there any reason why Glossop services no longer stop at Gorton off-peak now and instead run non-stop from Ashburys-Guide Bridge

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Its stops are now covered by the enhanced frequency of services via Hyde Central. They went up to 2tph from December 2012 and I suppose that was a convenient time to rejig calling patterns.

 

[156441]

As Matt mentions above it was to do with pathing on that line and the enhanced service to Rose Hill.

Would be brilliant in my opinion if all services where like that!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Gorton does appear to steadily increased its railway patronage over recent years from what the statistics show. Is that demand more applicable to stations on the Rose Hill line than to stations on the Glossop line. Pathing seems to be more concerned with operational rather than passenger demand matters. Was there not a similar occurrence up to recently concerning the next station of Fairfield?

Of course, in days of yore it had two large locomotive building facilities...the LNER Gorton Works and the Beyer-Peacock works that exported its products to many different countries. Gorton once was a very major part of the East Manchester centre of heavy engineering, chemical and steelmaking industries.

 

[edwin_m]

Until TPE re-route via Victoria this will always be a difficult route to timetable, with a mix of fast and slow trains and several flat junctions to think about. So to some extent passenger convenience will indeed have to make way for operational feasibility. Having said that, I would guess most of the demand is for Piccadilly anyway, and in the other direction Hyde is probably a more natural destination than Glossop is.

 

[Chapeltom]

Until TPE re-route via Victoria this will always be a difficult route to timetable, with a mix of fast and slow trains and several flat junctions to think about. So to some extent passenger convenience will indeed have to make way for operational feasibility. Having said that, I would guess most of the demand is for Piccadilly anyway, and in the other direction Hyde is probably a more natural destination than Glossop is.

Glossop is a bigger town than Hyde... far nicer town than Hyde as well.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Glossop is a bigger town than Hyde... far nicer town than Hyde as well.

There is the station that serves the very large area of Manchester overspill housing at Hattersley with a fast electric service to Manchester situated on the Glossop line.

The station of Newton for Hyde on the Glossop line serves that part of Hyde that is often overlooked,

 

[Chapeltom]

There is the station that serves the very large area of Manchester overspill housing at Hattersley with a fast electric service to Manchester situated on the Glossop line.

The station of Newton for Hyde on the Glossop line serves that part of Hyde that is often overlooked,

Yeah, Hyde has quite a few stations, including Godley and Flowery Field also on the Glossop line.

Funnily enough the passenger figures for Flowery Field, Godley, Hyde Central, Hyde North, Newton for Hyde - "Hyde's 5 stations" add up to around 570,000. Glossop had usage figures of around 765,000 alone in 2011/2012...

 

[edwin_m]

Even with the extra train, Hyde and surrounding areas don't get a particularly frequent service and being relatively close to Manchester the bus (and for some the Ashton Metrolink when it opens) may be a better option for a lot of people. In fact I'm surprised Gorton is gaining patronage.

Glossop is slightly different as it is further and rail is likely to be the fastest and most convenient public transport option.

 

[Eagle]

Glossop is slightly different as it is further and rail is likely to be the fastest and most convenient public transport option.

Also it has a large catchment area stretching into the Peak District (albeit most of that is very sparsely-populated).

 

[Chapeltom]

Also it has a large catchment area stretching into the Peak District (albeit most of that is very sparsely-populated).

I think it would be quite limited to be fair. People in Hayfield/Little Hayfield may prefer to use New Mills which is nearer to the former at least.

There isn't anything to the east of Glossop and nothing until Hayfield to the south/south west. North/West of it, people will be using Hadfield/Dinting/Broadbottom stations, which ever is most appropriate.

 

[anti-pacer]

Glossop is a bigger town than Hyde... far nicer town than Hyde as well.

I think the poster meant Hyde would be more popular with people from Gorton as it's nearer. I agree that Glossop is nicer, but Hyde has more shops, etc.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I think it would be quite limited to be fair. People in Hayfield/Little Hayfield may prefer to use New Mills which is nearer to the former at least.

Have you recently travelled from Little Hayfield to New Mills? It is not exactly what I would call "near" going via Hayfield, Birch Vale and Low Leighton.

 

[Chapeltom]

Have you recently travelled from Little Hayfield to New Mills? It is not exactly what I would call "near" going via Hayfield, Birch Vale and Low Leighton.

Its about 15 minutes ish by car, 4 miles or so. About the same to Glossop. I know Chapel to Glossop can be done in well under 25 minutes. People in Little Hayfield/Hayfield have the option of driving to Manchester, driving to Glossop/New Mills or bus to Stockport.

 

[oddiesjack]

Having been brought up in Hayfield, I would definitely say that Hayfield people would go to New Mills instead of Glossop for a train. Its 4½ miles from Hayfield to Glossop and 3 miles to New Mills.

As for Little Hayfielders, they have a choice of 3¾ miles to either Glossop or New Mills, so its more finely balanced. Having said that, all the Little Hayfielders who were school age at the same time as me went to New Mills secondary schools, so at that time the "loyalty" was towards New Mills. Certainly in winter time, the A624 over Chunal is far more likely to be blocked with snow than New Mills Road, so I suspect season ticket holders would use New Mills (Newtown if driving, Central if going by bus)

 

[trickyvegas]

I tend to visit Hayfield from time to time when walking and have found the 61 to Glossop only takes about 15 mins. I would have thought getting the train from Glossop rather than New Mills would be preferable as the fares from Glossop would be much cheaper.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I tend to visit Hayfield from time to time when walking and have found the 61 to Glossop only takes about 15 mins. I would have thought getting the train from Glossop rather than New Mills would be preferable as the fares from Glossop would be much cheaper.

I still regret the demise of the 361 service from Stockport to Glossop, via Lyme Park, New Mills, Low Leighton, Thornsett, Hayfield, Little Hayfield and Chunal.

 

[Bevan Price]

Until TPE re-route via Victoria this will always be a difficult route to timetable, with a mix of fast and slow trains and several flat junctions to think about. So to some extent passenger convenience will indeed have to make way for operational feasibility. Having said that, I would guess most of the demand is for Piccadilly anyway, and in the other direction Hyde is probably a more natural destination than Glossop is.

No insult to the people of either town, but I can't imagine either Hyde or Glossop attracting many regular shoppers from Gorton, but maybe some Gorton residents work in Hyde.

Gorton probably lost many potential passengers when many nearby rows of terraced housing were demolished some years ago.

 

[ANorthernGuard]

Glossop is a bigger town than Hyde... far nicer town than Hyde as well.

Thats a matter of opinion lol, I get a heck of a lot less hassle through the numerous Hyde stations than at Glossop.
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No insult to the people of either town, but I can't imagine either Hyde or Glossop attracting many regular shoppers from Gorton, but maybe some Gorton residents work in Hyde.

Gorton probably lost many potential passengers when many nearby rows of terraced housing were demolished some years ago.

probably get more of the Gorton Shoplifters going to them towns lol