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Gatwick Express, or is it?!

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Harratt4

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Odd one this morning on my commute (5/12), wondered what the correct policy should have been.

Was waiting at East Croydon for the 08.28 service to Victoria. I was early.

A Gatwick Express train comes through platform 1 at about 8.25 and the usual “stand clear, train not stopping announcement plays”.

However, the train does slow down and stop. Must be waiting for a signal I thought. Then the doors open.

So I and a few others hopped on. Doors close, we wait, I expect an announcement telling us to get off again, but no, doors open again, quite a few more people get on.

There is then an announcement saying “we shouldn’t have stopped here, if you wanted Clapham junction, we’re not stopping there so get off now”.

I was pleased as I was running late and I thought this would save a few minutes.

However as I got off the train I realised I’d need to touch out at the Gatwick express barriers - which would charge me (I assume) full GX incomplete fare from Gatwick to Victoria.

I approached a member of staff and asked him to open the gate so I could touch out at the normal readers, but he was confused (not surprising really!) and said I couldn’t have come from EC as this was the Gatwick express! I said it couldn’t be a GX train as it stopped at EC! I think he was considering not backing down but I was then joined by a few other people who backed me up that we had indeed got on at EC and he, slightly bemused did open the gate and off we went.

I was just wondering who was correct here. It was *supposed* to be a Gatwick Express service, so I could see the logic of saying as I hopped on it then I would have to pay the GX fare, but as I’d only travelled from EC why should I have had to pay from Gatwick.

Could he have argued that my “ticket” wasn’t valid and given us all penalty fares?

What about all the many others who got on at EC and just touched out without realising they were using the special GX barriers? Would they all have been charged for an incomplete journey from Gatwick, or as they touched in at East Croydon would the system have worked it out?

There was no announcement on the train so if the GX barriers charged everyone the higher amount then GX have made a pretty penny out of this mistake!

The imp in me wonders if this “mistake” was actually a cunning way to pay for the GX Christmas party .

For me at least common sense prevailed, but am curious!

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Doesn’t look like my emojis worked, my suggestion about the Christmas party was, of course, just a festive joke!
 
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I believe if you have a touch in at a non Gatwick station and touch out at the Gatwick Express gateline at Victoria, you will not be charged a Gatwick Express fare. I could be wrong on this though as I don’t know why I believe this is the case.

You never say for certain, but imply you were using Oyster/Contactless and touched in correctly at your origin station. If so, there would be no basis for issuing a Penalty Fare.
 
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JonathanH

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I believe if you have a touch in at a non Gatwick station and touch out at the Gatwick Express gateline at Victoria, you will not be charged a Gatwick Express fare.
Yes, normal fares apart from for journeys starting at Earlswood, Salfords and Horley, where the Gatwick Express fare is still charged.

However, I think there is no out of station interchange from the Gatwick Express barriers regardless of where the touch in was, so a new journey will be started on a further touch in.
 

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Yes sorry, I touched in using contactless correctly at Easy Croydon!

I assumed there might be a fare difference as there is signage to say “Southern customers” should exit using the gates at platform XX when a southern (proper) train arrives on the Gatwick Express platforms, and they open the gate pre barriers to allow you to do so. Today the gate was closed - which any other day would have been correct. I assume to stop GX passengers getting the Southern fare. But I also don’t know if that’s the case and didn’t want to find out this morning lol
 

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I said it couldn’t be a GX train as it stopped at EC! I think he was considering not backing down but I was then joined by a few other people who backed me up that we had indeed got on at EC and he, slightly bemused did open the gate and off we went.
Did you touch out on another barrier to complete the journey?
 
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