• Our new ticketing site is now live! Using either this or the original site (both powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

First South Yorkshire

Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

YorkRailFan

Established Member
Joined
6 Sep 2023
Messages
3,273
Location
York
B9TL 37588 has transferred to Leeds.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

B7RLE 69507 has transferred to Leeds.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

Optare Solo SR 53864 has been repainted to Ultraviolet and returned to Glasgow.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

Optare Solo SR 53862 is also transferring to Glasgow.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

Service changes from 1st September:
47 / 48Services 47 and 48 will continue to operate between Shiregreen and Herdings, but the combined daytime frequency will reduce to every 15 minutes, with each service operating every 30 minutes.
75 / 75A / 76 / 76A / 76EService 75A will be withdrawn. Service 75 will operate every 20 minutes during the day between Jordanthorpe and Chapeltown. Together with services 76, 76A and 76E, buses will continue to provide a combined frequency of up to every 10 minutes.
 
Last edited:

YorkRailFan

Established Member
Joined
6 Sep 2023
Messages
3,273
Location
York
First has won the tenders for the 9A & 70A starting from 26th July:
Following successful tenders, we will begin operating the following services:

9A (City Centre - Manor Top) on evenings and Sundays
70A (City Centre - Woodhouse - Meadowhall) on evenings and Sundays.
 

JD2168

Established Member
Joined
11 Jul 2022
Messages
1,714
Location
Sheffield
B9TL 37588 has transferred to Leeds.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

B7RLE 69507 has transferred to Leeds.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

Optare Solo SR 53864 has been repainted to Ultraviolet and returned to Glasgow.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

Optare Solo SR 53862 is also transferring to Glasgow.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

Service changes from 1st September:



Regarding 47/8/75/75a what do you expect when between Shiregreen & Firth Park you charge 40p more for a single fare than Stagecoach for the same section, more similar on Shiregreen to City as the difference is only 10p. Also messing the services up by splitting the Shiregreen loop hasn’t really worked especially with the 75a mess
 

sytransport

Member
Joined
15 Dec 2023
Messages
72
Location
Sheffield
Regarding 47/8/75/75a what do you expect when between Shiregreen & Firth Park you charge 40p more for a single fare than Stagecoach for the same section, more similar on Shiregreen to City as the difference is only 10p. Also messing the services up by splitting the Shiregreen loop hasn’t really worked especially with the 75a mess
Hardly a difference really, it’s essentially 1 less bus per hour on a heavily served corridor.
 

py_megapixel

Established Member
Joined
5 Nov 2018
Messages
7,450
Location
Northern England
Hardly a difference really, it’s essentially 1 less bus per hour on a heavily served corridor.
3 less buses per hour - one 47/48 and two 75as removed.

Regarding 47/8/75/75a what do you expect when between Shiregreen & Firth Park you charge 40p more for a single fare than Stagecoach for the same section, more similar on Shiregreen to City as the difference is only 10p. Also messing the services up by splitting the Shiregreen loop hasn’t really worked especially with the 75a mess
My perception is that a lot of this mess was created by First withdrawing the 1a and 95/95a in September 2024. This meant the 75 and 76 has to be rerouted to fill in the gaps, which left gaps of its own, requiring the 47/48 to be reintroduced.

It was at the same time that the 75a was introduced. Must admit it's not really clear to me what the point of it is. What significant link does it provide that the 47/48 or the regular 75 doesn't? Is it just that they want to terminate half the 75s early rather than send them all through to Chapeltown?

The 47/48 currently is a bit odd. (was the version from before 2015 any different? I don't know).
Having loops at both ends means one of them has to be split, otherwise there would be no layover time.

Perhaps in 2024 it would have been better for them to leave the 75/76 going to Shiregreen, and introduce a new service running Herdings - Highfield - Sheffield Centre - Pitsmoor Road - Firth Park - Wincobank - Meadowhall.
 

sytransport

Member
Joined
15 Dec 2023
Messages
72
Location
Sheffield
3 less buses per hour - one 47/48 and two 75as removed.


My perception is that a lot of this mess was created by First withdrawing the 1a and 95/95a in September 2024. This meant the 75 and 76 has to be rerouted to fill in the gaps, which left gaps of its own, requiring the 47/48 to be reintroduced.

It was at the same time that the 75a was introduced. Must admit it's not really clear to me what the point of it is. What significant link does it provide that the 47/48 or the regular 75 doesn't? Is it just that they want to terminate half the 75s early rather than send them all through to Chapeltown?

The 47/48 currently is a bit odd. (was the version from before 2015 any different? I don't know).
Having loops at both ends means one of them has to be split, otherwise there would be no layover time.

Perhaps in 2024 it would have been better for them to leave the 75/76 going to Shiregreen, and introduce a new service running Herdings - Highfield - Sheffield Centre - Pitsmoor Road - Firth Park - Wincobank - Meadowhall.
75A was introduced to serve Parson Cross and Fox Hill but wasn’t utilised so ended up being curtailed at Shiregreen presumably to remove a PVR.

47/48 has layover mid-loop at Herdings, albeit only a few minutes with an arrival and departure at the terminus stop. 75/76 makes sense staying in Shiregreen with the 1 continuing to High Green from a franchise perspective but not while operators were competing.
 
Last edited:

py_megapixel

Established Member
Joined
5 Nov 2018
Messages
7,450
Location
Northern England
75A was introduced to serve Parson Cross and Fox Hill but wasn’t utilised so ended up being curtailed at Chapeltown presumably to remove a PVR.
75a does not serve Chapeltown, it starts and terminates at Butterthwaite Road on the Shiregreen loop. It's basically just a shortened 75 with a little 2-stop variation at the northern end.

75/76 makes sense staying in Shiregreen with the 1 continuing to High Green from a franchise perspective but not while operators were competing.
One significant flaw in the Bus Partnership rewrite in 2015, which created the Stagecoach 1 and First 1a, was that they set out with a stated aim of giving passengers a choice of bus operators on as many corridors as possible - a complete red herring with the entirely predictable consequence of splitting what could be a single well-planned service between separate entities who can't consider the whole picture.

Even without franchising, it could have been decided in 2015 to consolidate similar services with the same operator rather than fragmenting them.
 

sytransport

Member
Joined
15 Dec 2023
Messages
72
Location
Sheffield
75a does not serve Chapeltown, it starts and terminates at Butterthwaite Road on the Shiregreen loop. It's basically just a shortened 75 with a little 2-stop variation at the northern end.
I meant Shiregreen sorry, no idea why I put Chapeltown.
One significant flaw in the Bus Partnership rewrite in 2015, which created the Stagecoach 1 and First 1a, was that they set out with a stated aim of giving passengers a choice of bus operators on as many corridors as possible - a complete red herring with the entirely predictable consequence of splitting what could be a single well-planned service between separate entities who can't consider the whole picture.

Even without franchising, it could have been decided in 2015 to consolidate similar services with the same operator rather than fragmenting them.
The partnership just wasn’t well managed. It was poorly planned from the start with the initial route changes and even if they had worked, SYPTE had very little control or money to put in to maintain it. Leicester is a good example of a working bus partnership, Sheffield unfortunately was far from it.
 

YorkRailFan

Established Member
Joined
6 Sep 2023
Messages
3,273
Location
York
B7RLE 69507 has returned to Olive Grove from First Leeds.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

Streetdeck Ultroliner 35679 has received branding for South Yorkshire's People Network.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

B9TL 37535 has been withdrawn.
 
Last edited:

YorkRailFan

Established Member
Joined
6 Sep 2023
Messages
3,273
Location
York
Streetdeck Ultroliners 35313 & 35321 have transferred to Leeds.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

Streetlite DF 47486 has transferred to Leeds.
 
Last edited:

JD2168

Established Member
Joined
11 Jul 2022
Messages
1,714
Location
Sheffield
After a couple of years out of service undergoing repairs StreetDeck 35101 has returned to service at Olive Grove depot in Ultraviolet livery
 

Attachments

  • IMG_2985.jpeg
    IMG_2985.jpeg
    203.4 KB · Views: 61

YorkRailFan

Established Member
Joined
6 Sep 2023
Messages
3,273
Location
York
Driver Trainer B7RLE 69303 has transferred to South Yorkshire from Manchester.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

B9TL 37519 has been withdrawn.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

B7RLE 69440 has been repainted into the pink "Join a Great Team Today" training livery.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

B9TL 36246 has been repainted to Ultraviolet.
 
Last edited:

YorkRailFan

Established Member
Joined
6 Sep 2023
Messages
3,273
Location
York
B9TL 37264 has been withdrawn. Driver Training B7RLE 69331 has transferred to Glasgow.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

B9TL 37229 has been withdrawn.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

B9TL 37114 has transferred from Doncaster to Leeds.
 
Last edited:

YorkRailFan

Established Member
Joined
6 Sep 2023
Messages
3,273
Location
York
B7RLE 69578 has transferred from Halifax to South Yorkshire.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

B7RLEs 69575 & 69576 have transferred from Bradford to South Yorkshire.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

B7RLE 69442 has been repainted to the Pink Driving Training livery.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

B9TLs 36243, 36244 & 36245 have transferred to Wilfreda.
 
Last edited:

Top