First Rail Stirling (Lumo) Rolling Stock

[scosutsut]

There are nothing but horror stories about the 222s, really not looking forward to the HST replacement... Maybe it's down to the operator, but ScotRail aren't the best at keeping their stock clean either. Their 170s are absolutely disgusting

I don't hold out much hope, ScotRail have completely given up on internal and external appearance fleet wide. All their stock is disgusting.

 

[800001]

I don't hold out much hope, ScotRail have completely given up on internal and external appearance fleet wide. All their stock is disgusting.

All of there stock?

I would have thought the 385s would be under a strict cleaning schedule via Hitachi.

 

[InvernessTMD]

All of there stock?

I would have thought the 385s would be under a strict cleaning schedule via Hitachi.

That explains why the 385s are the nicest and cleanest stock under ScotRail by a country mile. Getting a connection on a 170 coming from a 385 gives you whiplash, the difference in hygiene is so awful.

The situation with Lumo is odd in the sense they have no spare sets. If you look at the 379 introduction they started off with small self contained diagrams. Lumo don’t have that luxury. Hopefully Scotrail will do a good refurbishment as well. However you don’t need me to tell you the HST introduction had some challenges as well. I get the impression Scotrail won’t be in as much of a hurry and can keep the HSTs if there are lots of issues.

What were the issues with ScotRail HSTs initially? Can't say I ever rode on one early on in their service or heard anything

I don't hold out much hope, ScotRail have completely given up on internal and external appearance fleet wide. All their stock is disgusting.

Absolutely. It's really saddening to see. The state of ScotRail is awful, the only decent journeys I've had on ScotRail in recent memory have been to and from Stirling/Edinburgh on 385s off peak, clean and quiet. Went up to Dundee for the Discovery Double SRPS tour a few months back. Back to back 170s. The one from Camelon was disgusting and pretty full, although we did get seats alright. The one from Haymarket was genuinely horrifying cleanliness wise and so full that by the time we were crossing the Forth at Inverkeithing we were stuck where we stood and wouldn't have been able to get to the toilets (or an emergency exit!) if we needed to. Would've had a nice view on the journey as the saving grace... if you could see out the piggin' windows for grime!

 

[Wyrleybart]

Lumo should really be discussing leasing another set to resolve these issues, at least in the short term - they’re mid life, they were clearly not going to be of the AT300 standard.


If that’s the case, how did they deal with 9 car 222s? I’m not doubting your insight but it seems rather shortsighted.

AIUI the 9 car 222s were always allocated to EP and major exams were dealt with there. I wouldn't be surprised if the 9 car and 7 car 222s had a "splash and dash" FP exam at CZ, but that is entirely different to 222/6 being allocated to CZ anc having major maintenance performed there.

 

[Failed Unit]

That explains why the 385s are the nicest and cleanest stock under ScotRail by a country mile. Getting a connection on a 170 coming from a 385 gives you whiplash, the difference in hygiene is so awful.

What were the issues with ScotRail HSTs initially? Can't say I ever rode on one early on in their service or heard anything

Absolutely. It's really saddening to see. The state of ScotRail is awful, the only decent journeys I've had on ScotRail in recent memory have been to and from Stirling/Edinburgh on 385s off peak, clean and quiet. Went up to Dundee for the Discovery Double SRPS tour a few months back. Back to back 170s. The one from Camelon was disgusting and pretty full, although we did get seats alright. The one from Haymarket was genuinely horrifying cleanliness wise and so full that by the time we were crossing the Forth at Inverkeithing we were stuck where we stood and wouldn't have been able to get to the toilets (or an emergency exit!) if we needed to. Would've had a nice view on the journey as the saving grace... if you could see out the piggin' windows for grime!

I can’t remember the specifics. The program was late so non-refurbished trains needed to be used for a while. (I think that was because fitting the sliding doors was more challenging than expected among other reasons). No 2 coaches were the same with respect to work needed.

Reliability was also very poor at the beginning.