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Finding common ground with others.

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I think that's a great injustice to many people of that generation. If you haven't already, read about the Battle of Cable Street and try to imagine that happening now. My dad's family were Quakers, but the things he saw in Germany in the late 1930s persuaded him to join up as soon as war was declared in 1939. Most people knew what they were fighting for!

I mean no disrespect at all to people of that generation - quite the opposite - but the prevailing values in early 20th century Britain were very, very different to modern liberal values.

EDIT: given Jeremy Corbyn’s disgraceful failure to apologise for his party’s rabid anti semitism in his recent Andrew Neil interview I can certainly imagine a modern Cable St equivalent happening.
 
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Most people of that era were extremely anti Semitic and racist by modern standards.
"Many" I'd agree with, but not sure about most. I suspect things were very much like today - most people harbor no particular ill will towards Jewish people, neither do they hold them in any specific high esteem. In short, they don't really care one way or the other.
 

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"Many" I'd agree with, but not sure about most. I suspect things were very much like today - most people harbor no particular ill will towards Jewish people, neither do they hold them in any specific high esteem. In short, they don't really care one way or the other.

Regarding anti semitism in particular, you may well be right.

However I maintain that the average indigenous Brit in the 1920s/30s would have held views which would be considered shocking by modern standards.

My mother grew up in the 1950s and can remember pubs and shops with “no blacks, no Irish” signs outside them.

Society has thankfully improved in that respect. But it’s important to judge people of that era by the values they would have been exposed to rather than by modern standards.
 

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My mother grew up in the 1950s and can remember pubs and shops with “no blacks, no Irish” signs outside them.
It was usually "No Blacks, no pets, no Irish" on housing small ads from what my parents experienced when they arrived here. They at least took some small comfort from being listed before the pets!

It goes without saying that those were different times.
 

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It was usually "No Blacks, no pets, no Irish" on housing small ads from what my parents experienced when they arrived here. They at least took some small comfort from being listed before the pets!

It goes without saying that those were different times.

Disgusting treatment of your parents. Most of my lot were Irish, so had the additional flourish of humiliation of being listed after the bloody pets. :'(

They were different times indeed - but I maintain we can’t judge people of that era by modern standards. That’s also why I find the 2019 cries of “Churchill was a racist!” etc. so frustrating.

Well, duuuuuh, the bloke was a Victorian!
 
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I didn't want to make a point about anti Semitism as that wasn't what this thread was about. It was about finding common ground with people who have very different beliefs to oneself.
I've known people who are supposedly humanitarians but are basically quite despicable and unlikely to be people I could have found any common ground with at all. Yes, my grandfather may have been fascist in his views but he did fight for us eventually in WW2, he was compassionate to the end and that is what I remember most. The old adage is true. It does take all sorts.
 

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Just as a counterpoint to the various political threads that seem to be causing our esteemed members to argue with each other...

How do you get on with people that are completely opposite to you?
Do you have a way of dealing with it? Or would you rather only have people around you that basically see things in the same way?
My best friend is the exact opposite from me politically, but somehow we seem to knock along and be able to listen to each other’s point of view even if we don’t always agree.
It feels to me that these days there’s an enormous amount of debate (especially online), but no meeting of minds whatsoever.
Just more and more polarisation...
We can’t all be right and we can’t all be wrong, so where’s the common ground to be found?

Interesting questions. I've found that there's a lot to be said for having a diverse friend group. I'm in my mid-forties, and I've actively sought out and maintain friendships with people both much older and much younger than me, and in assorted places all around the world. Mixing with people with a very wide range of experiences and ideas does a lot to broaden your horizons, and see how other people have responded to their circumstances.

I know this might seem a bit odd to some people, but I actually have a lot of pen-pals, of the old-fashioned, letters through the post kind. It's actually a very interesting way to interact with people, because it's quite reflective and slow, and it encourages people to talk about their ideas and experiences in-depth. It's been interesting to hear what Americans make of Trump, what Poles make of Law and Justice and what Germans make of AfD this way.

I've also been surprised by the way people of certain political persuasions have acted. My mother-in-law is a centre-left social democratic type, who is gay and is therefore very into diversity, equality and inclusion. She is, however, extremely biased and unpleasant towards people she disagrees with, has a very mean and unpleasant sense of humour, and is generally quite nasty, however much she tries to make out she's a beacon of light and progressiveness. My wife's uncle is a hardcore Tory and very enthusiastic Brexiteer, politics which are completely opposed to mine, and some of his social attitudes are what you might call "old fashioned", but a more generous and loving man, you'd struggle to meet.

As others have said, though, if you're openly racist, homophobic or excessively bigoted in any other way, I don't want anything to do with you.
 

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What's would be the pillars of a good friendship.?.

Trust
Respect

But I can't think of anymore
 

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What's would be the pillars of a good friendship.?.

Trust
Respect

But I can't think of anymore
Being able to have a laugh and a fun time. I trust and respect my grandparents but I wouldn't want them as mates.
 

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The newspaper which probably best espouses my own political views is, apparently, the Guardian, and yet I can hardly abide it or a lot of the people most associated with it over the years. A lot of its readers are smug, self-satisfied and 'right on' and wouldn't dream of reading any other newspaper, other than the Observer, obviously. I much prefer being friends with people who don't share all my opinions and interests tbh, it makes for far more interesting conversation but we have enough common ground, or shared humanity, to remain friends. Some of them find me chaotic and mad, which may be accurate, and I find some of them too concerned about material things, but I know they can't help it. Many are Roman Catholics, which I'm not (or even Christian), which I've always thought was coincidental, but maybe not? I might add I was brought up in quite an anti-Catholic household.
 
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