Eurostar Formations

[03_179]

Evening all,

I know the Eurostar cl.374 (and cl.373)

At St Pancras if at the stops end 4009 is that end what is usually on the other end ?

Is there a source with the formations listed anywhere please?

Thanks in advance,

 

[scottie]

Should be 4010.

 

[03_179]

Thanks
So in general the stops end unit +1?

 

[JN114]

Thanks
So in general the stops end unit +1?

If it’s an odd numbered unit +1
If it’s an even numbered unit -1

I’m not convinced all sets are formed up with odd numbered units at the London end of the formation.

 

[03_179]

Right ... thanks makes sense

 

[DanNCL]

All 374 sets are numbered consecutively, 4001+4002 are a pair, 4003+4004 are a pair and so on.

That’s usually also the case for the 373s but very occasionally they can be mis-matched so always worth double checking the number on the other end. Then there’s also the anomaly of the spare power car, 3999, which can appear on any half set.

Sets of both types can be turned on regular diagrams now so no guarantee which end will be on the blocks at St Pancras. For a 374 it could do St Pancras-Paris one evening, Paris-Amsterdam runs the next day, then Amsterdam-St Pancras the day after, and that would turn the set.

 

[50002Superb]

If it’s an odd numbered unit +1
If it’s an even numbered unit -1

I’m not convinced all sets are formed up with odd numbered units at the London end of the formation.

is this definitely true? The +1 or -1?

 

[DanNCL]

is this definitely true? The +1 or -1?

For 374s yes, +1 to get the partner of an odd numbered unit, -1 to get the partner of an even numbered unit.

For a 373 it’s 99% of the time the same but mis-matched formations occasionally appear as does the spare powercar 3999.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Then there’s also the anomaly of the spare power car, 3999, which can appear on any half set.

This one is not always immediately obvious; Eurostar have been known to swap the hatches with the number on to make it look like the set is formed normally... the only way to be 100% certain, if it doesn't say 3999 on the nose, is to check the small painted full number at the other end of the power car.

 

[norbitonflyer]

is this definitely true? The +1 or -1?

yes, each pair have consecutive numbers, with the odd number being the lower (because the first one is 4001/4002, rather than 4000/4001)

 

[50002Superb]

Understood, I was convinced that I had seen pairs where that wasn’t the case but to be honest I wasn’t paying close enough attention

 

[800001]

All 374 sets are numbered consecutively, 4001+4002 are a pair, 4003+4004 are a pair and so on.

That’s usually also the case for the 373s but very occasionally they can be mis-matched so always worth double checking the number on the other end. Then there’s also the anomaly of the spare power car, 3999, which can appear on any half set.

Sets of both types can be turned on regular diagrams now so no guarantee which end will be on the blocks at St Pancras. For a 374 it could do St Pancras-Paris one evening, Paris-Amsterdam runs the next day, then Amsterdam-St Pancras the day after, and that would turn the set.

Since when did 374s do Paris to Amsterdam’s?

 

[martin2345uk]

Since when did 374s do Paris to Amsterdam’s?

Been a while now, must be lack of stock on the red side so they borrow a couple of blue sets.

 

[Bemined]

During the reconstruction of the Amsterdam terminal the 374s did not run from Amsterdam to London but the return services from London to Amsterdam did run. So instead of sending these units back empty, they ran them on the services to Brussels and Paris. Starting next week the Amsterdam to London service will be resumed and I believe the Amsterdam <> Paris service will be all red sets again.