European attitude to lockdown

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Coronavirus on the rise across Europe

European leaders are dreading a second wave of coronavirus. France saw 4,771 new cases on Thursday, a jump not seen since May, though the government has ruled out delaying the return to school or renewed…

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France saw 4,771 new cases on Thursday, a jump not seen since May, though the government has ruled out delaying the return to school or renewed lockdowns

alongside this from the WHO:

Covid-19: WHO says Europe can combat spike in infections without full lockdown

Spikes in coronavirus infections in European countries caused alarm on Thursday but the World Health Organization (WHO) said the continent should be able to fight the pandemic without reimposing full…

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With many nations creeping back towards restrictive measures, the WHO said European health authorities are now better prepared and should not need to resort to the complete closures endured particularly by the Spanish and Italians

and this from Spain:

Coronavirus: Why Spain is seeing second wave

Spain has Europe's fastest-rising caseload two months after it lifted one of the strictest lockdowns.

www.bbc.co.uk

Spain's government admits the numbers are "not what we want to see", but points to key differences compared to the spring.

Only around 3% of current cases require hospital treatment, less than 0.5% need intensive care and the current death rate is as low as 0.3%.

"Mortality is very low, as is the hospitalisation rate. Something has changed big time, although the rise is still worrying," says Ildefonso Hernández, a professor in public health from Miguel Hernández University in Alicante.

Are we finally seeing some recognition of"mission creep" here, and the harmful nature of lockdowns or indeed the persistent threatening of lockdowns?

 

[gordonthemoron]

Having recently been to Germany, their track and trace seems to be stricter than the UK, but a lot more things are open. We went to indoor and outdoor public swimming pools, there was a large fair in Nuremburg and there is no compulsory reservations on trains

 

[Yew]

Coronavirus: Why Spain is seeing second wave

Spain has Europe's fastest-rising caseload two months after it lifted one of the strictest lockdowns.

www.bbc.co.uk

Are we finally seeing some recognition of"mission creep" here, and the harmful nature of lockdowns or indeed the persistent threatening of lockdowns?

I think we are a little bit, we've got better data about the actual danger of the Virus, and starting to remember about flattening the curve. Hopefully such sensibilities start coming across the channel, although I imagine it will be delayed as it's happening outside of the anglophone world.

 

[Jamiescott1]

having been in France and croatia in July, I can say things are a lot more relaxed there.

 

[LAX54]

I think we are a little bit, we've got better data about the actual danger of the Virus, and starting to remember about flattening the curve. Hopefully such sensibilities start coming across the channel, although I imagine it will be delayed as it's happening outside of the anglophone world.

Is there a 'real danger' from the Vrus, apart those that are 'at risk' ? but then that would apply to any virus that is around at the time, as I know first hand

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Having recently been to Germany, their track and trace seems to be stricter than the UK, but a lot more things are open. We went to indoor and outdoor public swimming pools, there was a large fair in Nuremburg and there is no compulsory reservations on trains

But their 14-day infection rate is now similar to the UK, and increasing (latest figures have them at 16.5, we are at 21.2).
Sweden, without a major lockdown, is at 37.6.
Austria, admired for much of the lockdown, is at 33.0 and is now on the UK quarantine list.
Hospital/death rates are low, however, so infection is generally increasing but critical cases are not (or not at the same rate as early in the pandemic).