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Ely platform 3 too short for 2 trains? 1st June 2024

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Our 3-cars 201-208 made that possible as guards de-selected the rear coach on arrival at Sheringham then we changed ends and it remained OOU.

In the Ely scenario however the train would be ahead of the signal to return so that adds to the complications. Route shouldn't be locked so just a case of following signallers instructions.
We aren't keen on using SDO for reversing moves except in disruption/emergency - there is some concern that once the driver is keyed in after changing ends anything that would normally just cause the guard to re-release the doors (someone getting trapped or whatever) and restart dispatch would then cause an operational incident as when they put the release back up it isn't possible to release the train doors without also releasing the now leading coach which is off the platform.

Obviously modern SDO systems where you can select doors let alone coaches are much more flexible!
 
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Lengths of loco hauled trains are quite easy for signallers to look up on the signalbox computer but multiple unit trains are, surprisingly, very hard. To find out the length of a multiple unit train on the IT systems available to a signaller, you’d need to search for a train on Web Gemini (TRUST will tell you vehicle running numbers but nothing more than that) to find out what unit/units is/are on it then look up the details for each individual vehicle in the formation to find the length of each and add them all together. That all takes quite a bit of time and assumes you have a log in for Web Gemini in the first place. That’s why many signalboxes have a locally produced table or spreadsheet handy showing the lengths of the most common different formations. Similarly, there is no easily accessible information about platform lengths available on the various bits of software used by signallers, so again locally produced tables/spreadsheets/diagrams are used. Nothing about it is easy or simple.

A contributory factor is that signallers are given no formal training at all about the different trains and traction types. None. Nothing. You just have to work it out yourself.
This explains a rather heated debate that I had with a signaller once, who was insistent that my train should've fitted inside clear when stopped at a mid-platform signal. He was insistent that I needed to move closer to it (I really couldn't, I could barely see it above me as it was) and that I should fit as my train was only 88m and there's 91m available. The problem was that 158 vehicles are just over 23m each, which therefore put the total train length nearer to 94m. The locally produced information in that case seemed to assume that all 15x vehicles are 22m (like 150s?).
 
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