Dublin location?

[Oracle]

These shots were taken on a COMMERCIAL MOTOR visit to CIE in and around Dublin, circa 1954. Does anyone know the location please (and the loco)?

 

[Oracle]

A better, ahem, view of the loco

 

[madannie77]

The view is looking northwards along Westland Row. The loco is entering or emerging from Pearse Station. Can't help with the loco ID, however

 

[Old Timer]

The view is looking northwards along Westland Row. The loco is entering or emerging from Pearse Station. Can't help with the loco ID, however

In those days, Pearse was known as Westland Row, and until the former M&GWR route trains were diverted to Kingsbridge (later to be known as Heuston), it was the originating point for the first Down trains of the day to Galway and Westport, which connected out of the Dun Laoghaire Boat Train.

 

[Drimnagh Road]

Yes train is leaving what is now Pearse Station heading Northbound, (although the road is Westland Row).

A search on Yahoo reveals loco looks like a machine similar to below, as that type of loco was still in service at that time.

http://eiretrains.com/Photo_Gallery/C/Clonsilla/slides/Clonsilla 07-97_JC (10).html

perhaps another Irish poster can confirm.

 

[Oracle]

Thanks for that! When IO get the originals I shall hopefully be able to read the loco number and also i.d. the buses.

 

[merlodlliw]

In those days, Pearse was known as Westland Row, and until the former M&GWR route trains were diverted to Kingsbridge (later to be known as Heuston), it was the originating point for the first Down trains of the day to Galway and Westport, which connected out of the Dun Laoghaire Boat Train.

Correct, Westland Row was in use as the departure for the boat train,later
in 60s, two trains left Dun Laoghaire at about 0700, one for Westland Row
and one for Heuston, The terminus was down below well under
the pier, used it many times. All replaced by buses in the 80s, then the dart.

 

[Old Timer]

Correct, Westland Row was in use as the departure for the boat train,later
in 60s, two trains left Dun Laoghaire at about 0700, one for Westland Row
and one for Heuston, The terminus was down below well under
the pier, used it many times. All replaced by buses in the 80s, then the dart.

I recall the 1405 ex Westport ran through to Dun Laoghaire at one stage from Islandbridge Jct, and Croke Park and Ossory Road Jct.

Latterly the 1355 Sligo to Connolly ran through to Dun Laoghaire (via Newcomen Jct, no less !) in the early 1980s with a brace of 121s. These then ran round and went back to Connolly CS however with the DART service this train was cut back, and the 1825(?) Connolly to Rosslare Harbour (again a brace of 121s ) was the connecting train for both ships off the Sligo and the GNRI lines.

Happy days riding 121s around the Country.

Proper trains, with full restaurant/griddle cars and tea served in silver teapots, none of these damn silly dmus then.

 

[4SRKT]

For a couple of years in the '90s the 17:00 semi-fast Belfast > Dublin train was extended to Dun Laoghaire to connect with the boat, giving the only example I know of of NIR vehicles in NIR service (i.e. not 80 class sets leased to IE) doing a scheduled operation in the Republic anywhere other than the GNR main line. The return working at 20:00 would have given only 40 minutes to get down to Dun Laoghaire and back including turnaround, so the departure from Connolly was put back to 20:15 from a 19:55 departure from Dun Laoghaire (still very optimistic given that arrival from Belfast was at 19:40). Following the cessation of this through service, the 20:00 remained the 20:15 until the timetable was recast when the de Dietrich stock came in. The Dun Laoghaire extension didn't operate on Fridays, I presume because the sheer length of the train catering for the student traffic on that day was too long for the platform at either the Connolly through section or at Dun Laoghaire itself.

I would concur with Drimnagh Road that the loco looks very like 461. I believe there were only 2 locos in this class, but the stocky belpair firebox and high boiler do look the part. Indeed, if I squint hard enough at the number the last two digits do look like a 6 and a 1.
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In those days, Pearse was known as Westland Row, and until the former M&GWR route trains were diverted to Kingsbridge (later to be known as Heuston), it was the originating point for the first Down trains of the day to Galway and Westport, which connected out of the Dun Laoghaire Boat Train.

After the closure of Broadstone (year?) didn't Westland Row become the terminus for all former MGWR services? I'm a bit sketchy on this period of Irish railway history, but was this because it wasn't possible for these trains to get into the main body of the station at Amiens Street?

 

[Csalem]

Here's a shot of 112 in south Dublin on a NIR service from Dun Laoighre:
http://railscanireland.fotopic.net/p58768135.html
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Thanks for that! When IO get the originals I shall hopefully be able to read the loco number and also i.d. the buses.

I'd highly recommend you post the shots on the site below. There is nothing the forum members there like more than identifying buses in certain pictures. They could probably even give you a date and a lot of info about the buses.

http://garaiste.yuku.com/directory

 

[Old Timer]

After the closure of Broadstone (year?) didn't Westland Row become the terminus for all former MGWR services? I'm a bit sketchy on this period of Irish railway history, but was this because it wasn't possible for these trains to get into the main body of the station at Amiens Street?

Anything coming Up the old MGWR ran in from Mullingar via Enfield to Drumcondra Jct.

At that point they could take the right had line to Newcomen Jct, or deviate left towards Ossory Road Jct.

At Ossory Road you joined the GNRI main line and could access the terminating platforms at Amiens St (Connolly).

If you came via Newcomen Jct then you could only access the through lines (DSE lines) towards Westland Row.

At some time in the 70s Galway and Westport trains were diverted to Heuston from Athlone via Clara, Tullamore and the GSR main line and thus did not run via Enfield.

The layout of Drumcondra means that coming from the former GSR, you have to run via Ossory Road Jct and North Strand Jct.

In those days There was a greater separation of trains north and south at Connolly and thus the terminating platforms would have been fully bused by suburban services.

Galway and Westport trains thus ran to Westland Row and then ran forward to the carriage sidings south of there, but I cannot for the life of me recall what they are (were) called.

For (I believe) historical reasons the 1805 Heuston to Westport and the 0745 return was worked by a brace of 121s right until nearly the very end. This was the ONLY booked 121 passenger work over the GSR, apart from VERY rare sojourns.

One I particularly recall was a Rose of Tralee contestants special which was worked throughout from Heuston to Tralee by a brace of 121s with a Cork Driver. It ran non-stop probably one of the very few non-stop, and certainly the longest 121 working in the Country. Naturally your truly was on the footplate the whole way

In the mid 80s for a period the Up Cork Mail was a booked 121 job (sometimes a worked by a pair). Never managed to grab that job though.

Non passenger 121 workings on the GSR were restricted to the North Wall to Waterford F/Liner and return working. I was very lucky one night to grab a shot of that working from the cab of an 071 working the 1730 Cork to Heuston high speed service as we passed at about 165 mph near Hazelhatch.

Happy days.

 

[merlodlliw]

All interesting stuff, Old Timer, the last 121 brace I travelled on was from Connelly to Dun L, the train was going to Rosslare, It appeared to be leaving the station taking a right hand arc via Pearce Station? don't recall it stopping thou, It departed Connelly at about 7.45p.m.

I am also sure at the Old Westland Row, there was a British Rail ticket office?

If I recall the 121s ran with one of the cabs facing the carriages,the other cab
leading.

Also I was not aware NIR ran to D L.


M

 

[Old Timer]

If I recall the 121s ran with one of the cabs facing the carriages,the other cab
leading.

Also I was not aware NIR ran to D L.M

The 121s were based on the GM "road switcher" locomotive design. This was a single cab loco. Soon after introduction they were paired up and continued paired pretty much until the end of their life, although at the end they operated push-pull sets as single units.

There were 69 locos of similar design built for and exported to Brazil. At least some of these are still operating.

A further 41 were built for Pakistan, and 12 for Tunisia.

 

[87015]

121s also had booked work Limerick - Cork and return on MkIII shove sets.

 

[Old Timer]

121s

The Brazillian version
Cab leading
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=266345&nseq=0

Bonnet leading
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=230785&nseq=4

Taiwanese version
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=259428&nseq=2

 

[Bittern]

These shots were taken on a COMMERCIAL MOTOR visit to CIE in and around Dublin, circa 1954. Does anyone know the location please (and the loco)?

I'm guessing the location is Dublin.

 

[Old Timer]

Hear those 121s !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohvqXrm4hXY

 

[4SRKT]

Hear those 121s !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohvqXrm4hXY

My lordz!

 

[Oracle]

The loco on the bridge is CIE no 381..does that identify the type please?

 

[Old Timer]

Could it be one of THESE ?
http://eiretrains.com/Photo_Gallery... Locomotives/slides/MGWR steam.jpg_3 (1).html

 

[4SRKT]

The loco on the bridge is CIE no 381..does that identify the type please?

381 is a Maunsell designed class K1 2-6-0, introduced by the GSR between 1925 and 1929, according to my Ian Allen 'Transport of the Forties' Irish Locomotives book.

 

[Oracle]

Thanks!