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Delay Repay - Barrier Swallowed My Ticket

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Bletchleyite

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I agree that some things are complex and confusing. But if I need to keep my ticket and I'm not sure about using the railway then I'm going to speak to the person at the barrier line rather than put it in a machine. That's not complex.

Especially in somewhere like Glasgow Central where there's pretty much always someone around to ask.

Is that member of staff obvious? Ever since the manual gate was abolished, at Euston suburban, for instance, they can be hard to find, and an occasional user may not think they are there at all.

When designing these systems we need to consider the occasional rail user much more than we do. The regular user will learn whatever the system is and follow it even if they don't like it, so they are less of a concern.
 
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No they don't. We need to stop treating people like idiots. If I know that I need to keep my ticket, I'm not going to put it anywhere near a barrier and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
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We have been here before.

Sensible train companies, such as Virgin Trains East Coast, program their gates to give tickets back, in case passengers need to make compensation claims. It doesn't take a rocket scientist for other train companies to figure out how to follow suit.

As I said before, anyone who is used to such barriers (or indeed not used to using any barriers) would have no reason to beleive their ticket would be retained at another station (unless they happened to read about it here, or somewhere else)

I do not see how any of this is of any help at all. We are going round and round in circles. :roll:
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you should photograph your ticket with your phone then it doesn't matter if the barrier retains the ticket
I agree with this advice.
 

WelshBluebird

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If the OP had gone up them, ticket in hand to ask to be let through and they had said "No, put in the barrier." then you might have a point. The OP put the ticket (railway property) in the barrier when he shouldn't have. Getting a specific ticket back can be a time consuming process, during which time they aren't able to do their 'real' job.

It sounds unfortunate, but not terrible.

I still think it is terrible. Surely part of their job is to deal with passengers and their issues, so getting a ticket out of the barrier for the OP is doing their real job.

What about a similar situation that I had at Cardiff Queen Street station last year? I had a ticket to travel to Cathays (1 stop further than Queen Street) but was breaking my journey at Cardiff Queen Street to meet a friend. I put my ticket in the barrier but it kept hold of the ticket, even though it should have given it back to me. Thankfully the staff were very helpful and fished through the barrier to give me back the ticket, but had they not what should I have done? I had no idea the barrier would retain the ticket even though it still had more validity.
I think for future reference though, if you need to retain your ticket for delay repay/passenger charter claim, best make this known to barrier staff in person.

As above, what about cases where you are just making a break of journey or something similar where the barrier retains the ticket when it shouldn't? At the end of the day barrier staff should ALWAYS give the ticket back if there is a decent reason for the passenger needing it.

Slightly different circumstance... But if you'll bear with me!

Travelling on the return portion of a Radyr - Wrexham General Off Peak Return, stop short at Cathays, so I could drop off some stuff at home before heading on to Radyr, I'd been delayed an hour by ATW so needed the ticket to put in a claim.

Barrier swallowed the ticket as the staff there refuse to let you through until the ticket has gone through the barrier. (Which I can partially understand). Member of staff then refuses to retrieve the ticket from the barrier as once a ticket is swallowed it's used up apparently.

Sent off a complaint to ATW and I received a refund on my extra Cathays to Radyr single I needed to buy. Assurance that staff would be retrained at Cathays. Assurance that staff should ALWAYS retrieve a ticket that still has validity and that barrier staff across there network should ALWAYS retrieve a ticket if the passenger needs to make a claim.

Food for thought I think, though I accept it's different TOCs involved here.

Kind of similar to my experience then, except the staff were a lot more helpful for me. Weird considering how close Cathays and Queen street are! I hope ATW have fixed the obvious issues with the barriers around there!
 
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No, we need to stop assuming people understand the railway's esoteric and confusing policies, and make them simpler and always, always clearly signed.

Funny you should say that as through my years working on the railway people seem to ignore signs too, even departure boards and thats without them being esoteric or confusing.

I mean how else do you display the universal sign for toilet,exit, or big bright departure screens which show all their information abotu services, any clearer?
 

Astradyne

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I agree that some things are complex and confusing. But if I need to keep my ticket and I'm not sure about using the railway then I'm going to speak to the person at the barrier line rather than put it in a machine. That's not complex.

Especially in somewhere like Glasgow Central where there's pretty much always someone around to ask.

This assumes you know you need to keep your ticket for delay repay.

As an occasional user, I arrive on a delayed train ... I head to the gate line like everyone else, put my ticket in, it is retained and exit the platform. Then go to the customer services point to complain and get told about delay repay ... but I have not got my ticket because it has been retained.

So what exactly makes me an idiot????? No, an idiot has set up this process!
 
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philthetube

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No they don't. We need to stop treating people like idiots. If I know that I need to keep my ticket, I'm not going to put it anywhere near a barrier and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

Besides, we already have empirical evidence that notices don't make a blind bit of difference.

I had some friends over from Denmark, they got caught up in delays following the Watford landslip, they did not even know about delay repay until I told them. Fortunately the barriers were open at Watford so they retained their tickets.

Would they have been idiots if the gates had been closed
 

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This is getting silly.

This thread will be reopened should the OP wish to discuss any progress in his case. Until then, this is locked as we are just going around in circles.
 
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