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Cumberland & Westmorland bus discussion

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backontrack

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Hi all :)

The doings of both Stagecoach Cumbria & North Lancashire and Reay's Coaches have certainly been extensive in recent years - as have cuts to rural bus services forced by the hand of central government. Austerity has meant that Cumbria County Council has cut its funding for many of Cumbria's bus services outside central Lakeland - and some of these have spent some time shuffling about between different operators. So, with all this stuff going on, I though it would be good to try to cover it all as it happens here.

Recently, services routes 73/73A, operated by Stagecoach, have been cut down. They are summer-only services, and operated on a daily basis between March and October in 2016. On route 73A, one daily service ran on this circuit: Keswick-Castlerigg Stone Circle-Mungrisdale-Bowscale-Mosedale-Hesket Newmarket-Caldbeck-Ireby-Uldale-Castle Inn-Bassenthwaite Village-Keswick.

On Saturdays, there were also two daily returns from Carlisle, which operated Carlisle-Dalston-Buckabank-Welton-Caldbeck. The 73 would run down to Keswick via Mungrisdale and Hesket Newmarket and return to Carlisle later in the day via Bassenthwaite; the 73A would take the alternate route, running to Keswick via Bassenthwaite and returning via Mungrisdale.

Last year, the service was cut down to run on Saturdays only, with route 73A disappearing altogether. What was left consisted of: a service on route 73 from Carlisle to Keswick via Dalston, Caldbeck and Bassenthwaite; a return from Keswick via Mungrisdale and Hesket Newmarket that ran to Caldbeck, then through Ireby and Uldale, then back to Caldbeck and on to Carlisle; and a single loop from Keswick to Keswick via Castlerigg, Mungrisdale, Hesket Newmarket, Caldbeck, Ireby, Uldale, Bassenthwaite and Keswick.

With the start of this year's summer timetable, there are now no more buses to Castlerigg Stone Circle, Mungrisdale, Bowscale or Mosedale. There is a single route 73 return from Carlisle to Keswick via Dalston, Caldbeck, Hesket Newmarket (reversing), Caldbeck again, Ireby, Uldale, Bassenthwaite and Keswick, and another route 73 journey from Keswick to Hesket Newmarket and back.

The demise of rural bus services like this one is hardly surprising, sadly; I just thought someone should mention the changes. In addition to this, route 563 (Penrith-Kirkby Thore-Appleby-Warcop-Brough-Kirkby Stephen), after completely stopping at one point recently, is now being operated by Stagecoach, who have cut things down to run solely between Penrith and Appleby. There are three buses a day, one of which operates via the Drawbriggs area of Appleby and takes a slightly different route round Kirkby Thore.
 
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A few years ago I seem to remember there was one bus a week that started at Appleby railway station to Penrith via Knock (from memory) do you know if this still runs?
 

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The 73/73A services from Carlisle had always been regarded as positioning journeys when Carlisle depot operated part of the 77/77A services between Keswick and Buttermere. In 2017, the operation of 77/77A (and 78) was taken over by West Cumbria (Lillyhall) depot. The only service from Keswick left for Carlisle depot was the 208 (Keswick-Patterdale) so the 73 service was reduced to one bus on Saturdays only.
The 563 service (Penrith-Appleby-Kirkby Stephen) had been operated by Grand Prix of Brough under contract to Cumbria County Council for a number of years and when the county withdrew all subsidies, Grand Prix continued commercially on a reduced timetable. They made further reductions, particularly to the Saturday service, before eventually withdrawing all together in December 2016. The need for a DDA-compliant vehicle to replace the Optare Excel being used was a major factor in the decision. Some months passed without any service (except one college/schooldays only service 506 Appleby-Penrith-Kendal and a Tuesday-only shopper service from Cumbria Classic Coaches) until September 2017 when Stagecoach introduced a commercial three journeys daily Monday to Friday service between Penrith and Appleby. This is operated by an Optare Solo from Penrith outstation previously only used on a school contract.
The Friday shopper service in Appleby and surrounding villages (including Knock) operated by Robinson's of Appleby continues to run. This service has run for many years, originally to Great Asby and expanded as other services in the area were withdrawn.
 

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Hi where is Penrith outstation please? I always assumed all Stagecoach buses operating from Penrith first came down from Carlisle or across from the Workington area.
 

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The 73/73A services from Carlisle had always been regarded as positioning journeys when Carlisle depot operated part of the 77/77A services between Keswick and Buttermere. In 2017, the operation of 77/77A (and 78) was taken over by West Cumbria (Lillyhall) depot. The only service from Keswick left for Carlisle depot was the 208 (Keswick-Patterdale) so the 73 service was reduced to one bus on Saturdays only.
I forgot to mention that the 73 from Carlisle becomes the 208 at Keswick. The 208 has always been a Saturdays-only service since introduction a few years ago.

The 563 service (Penrith-Appleby-Kirkby Stephen) had been operated by Grand Prix of Brough under contract to Cumbria County Council for a number of years and when the county withdrew all subsidies, Grand Prix continued commercially on a reduced timetable. They made further reductions, particularly to the Saturday service, before eventually withdrawing all together in December 2016. The need for a DDA-compliant vehicle to replace the Optare Excel being used was a major factor in the decision. Some months passed without any service (except one college/schooldays only service 506 Appleby-Penrith-Kendal and a Tuesday-only shopper service from Cumbria Classic Coaches) until September 2017 when Stagecoach introduced a commercial three journeys daily Monday to Friday service between Penrith and Appleby. This is operated by an Optare Solo from Penrith outstation previously only used on a school contract.

There is also a Tuesdays-only route 574 return journey between Kirkby Stephen and Penrith via Brough, Appleby and Warcop. This is operated by Cumbria Classic Coaches, based in Ravenstonedale, who operate the service using a vintage bus. The 574 started running when Grand Prix ceased operation on the 563 as a stopgap, and it still runs today.

In fact, Cumbria Classic Coaches run one return passenger each weekday, except on Fridays:

MONDAY: . . . route 571: Brough-Brough Sowerby-Kirkby Stephen-Kirkby Stephen station-Ravenstonedale-Newbiggin-Tebay-Grayrigg-Mintsfeet-Kendal & return
TUESDAY: .. . route 574: Kirkby Stephen-Brough Sowerby-Brough-Warcop-Appleby-Kirkby Thore-Temple Sowerby-Winderwath-Brougham-Penrith & return
WEDNESDAY: route 572: Depot-Fell End-Ravenstonedale-Kirkby Stephen station-Kirkby Stephen-Brough Sowerby-Brough-Middleton in Teesdale-Barnard Castle
. . . . . . . . . . . . . return: Barnard Castle-Startforth-Bowes-Brough-Brough Sowerby-Kirkby Stephen-Kirkby Stephen station-Ravenstonedale-Fell End-Depot
THURSDAY:....route 570: Depot-Ravenstonedale-Shap-Scout Green-Orton-Old Tebay-Tebay-Grayrigg-Mintsfeet-Kendal & return

Stagecoach also run a daily Monday-Friday return journey from Brough on route 502.

route 502: Brough-Brough Sowerby-Kirkby Stephen-Kirkby Stephen station-Fell End-Cautley-Sedbergh-Firbank Bridge Farm-New Hutton-Oxenholme-Oxenholme Lake District station-Kendal-Mintsfeet and return
 
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