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Could Drax services be rerouted via Ormskirk to avoid Manchester ?

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Halifaxlad

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Your curve will sever the depot access road and require alterations around Kirkdale station not to mention the insufficient standage and adverse gradients. Why is any of this 'optimum' when a route from Liverpool docks to Blackburn using existing infrastructure is possible, especially infrastructure that is largely already designed for freight trains?

See my earlier post regarding depot access.

Please can you tell me what work you had done regarding 'standage and gradients'

Do you think keeping long and heavy freight trains on the main route into and out of Liverpool is a good idea ?
 
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See my earlier post regarding depot access.
I have, you haven't demonstrated anything other than talking about 'slueing' buildings. Most important is the road and car park in, which will have your new chord slap bang through the middle of it, but about 1.5m below the current ground level. So no level crossing, but also not a lot of room for a bridge.
Please can you tell me what work you had done regarding 'standage and gradients'
Some very rudimentary calculations using google maps's 'measure distance' feature, laser scan /3d model of the area, and knowledge that the minimum height above the railhead is c.4m, + tunnel lining and earth above that to work out the vertical separation. It looks to be from some rather basic reckoning at least a 6m vertical separation between the tracks, and a maximum distance between the two lines of 400m or so. Evidently, that's steeper than the 1:100 recommended gradient for freight. The margin of error is sufficient that even if I'm pessimistic the improvement wouldn't be sufficient for a freight train timed at up to 2400 tonne trailing load.
Do you think keeping long and heavy freight trains on the main route into and out of Liverpool is a good idea ?
I think it's a much better idea than trying to run a freight on a metro route. The 4-track section at Huyton and Roby provides a regulating section and you have 2 different routes to reach Wigan NW, one of which has some very underutilised Slow/Goods lines from Golborne Jn. You'd have to wait for a bit at Wigan Station Junction or that area for a slot on the 2-track section through to Euxton Junction but there's space, and a decent amount of it.

Merseyrail is to all intents and purposes a heavy metro along the lines of the London Underground and keeping it as self-contained as possible is the best course of action for the people who use it.
 

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The optimum solution, of course, is to stop burning trees at Drax, which I suspect will be the answer within the next decade.
Yes.

If the trees were burned in North America, the resulting electricity could be supplied dc by superconducting cable under the Atlantic. (Different box of crayons now open).

Geographically, Liverpool must continue to be a major freight Port and capacious rail access is desirable. The real pinch point to me looks to be the lack of reliefs between Roby Jn and the Bootle branch, if TPU takes off. There appear to be some very solid 1960's structures now in the way - perhaps they'll be life expired soon!

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