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Could Callander station reopen?

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Regrettably impossible. Too much of the route has been built on, in Dunblane, Doune, and Callendar. If only....
 

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Not on your nelly. The same goes for Alloa to Dunfermline.

At the rate we're going at now, if top choice for reinstatement Levenmouth sees trains by 2028 then I'll be surprised and delighted.

If anyone would like to provide a more optimistic view then do go ahead.
 

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Having lived there in the past . Most of the Route to Callander is pretty clear . Perhaps taking it as far as Strathyre in a single.ilar vein to Tweedbank long enough platforms to take steam specials . Double track sections . Could it not or did it route near Doune? a very Scenic place .
It is a shame there isn't more fire to coin a phrase to rebuild lines like that. Which while expensive to reopen would easily claw back in revenue from tourism .
Plus if all Double Track the A84 Is deadly . It's busy and lots of logging trucks are using it from both Oban and fort William.
Even if like the Waverley route it was done in phases .
It would still be well used. Wasn't the first reopening in 2002 to Milngavie? Isn't that heading north from.glasgow to a fairly small place?.
I can't recall .
Once thing that is needed the trains to Oban and Mallaog should be either HST or The new Class Loco they have working Cumbria coast and Fife lines .
Proper facilities on journies that are unsuitable for ancient DMU services!.
As for Callander it's thronged with Tourists a steam train special would prove naysayers wrong.
These negative views were very vocal during the early days of the planning for the very successful first phase of the Waverley line !.
Just think back to 2002 . You may remember....
 

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I don't know when you lived there, but I suggest you look at the route on Google maps. Built on in all three places, ploughed under in other places, the A9 built across it, used to cross the A84 by a level crossing, and by a bridge now gone....
 

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Another example of a line that if it had survived until now it would be mad to be proposing it's closure - now it's mad to suggest it's re-opening!

Our systems and methods of promoting rail infrastructure enhancements are now so "mad" themselves that even "sensible" schemes are virtually impossible to bring to implementation

That doesn't mean that people on here should go along with the madness and condemn schemes such as Stirling- Callander that in a sensible world would be entirely possible.
 

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I quite agree that it is sad that it isn't feasible, that if the route had been safeguarded it would have already have been reopened (I'm sure that all the additional housing in all three places is for commuting), but it isn't. It's completely crayonista.
 

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It would still be well used. Wasn't the first reopening in 2002 to Milngavie? Isn't that heading north from.glasgow to a fairly small place?.
I can't recall .

Just think back to 2002 . You may remember....
You’re thinking of Larkhall which opened in December 2005. However the railway will never get back to Callendar. There is absolutely no chance at all.
 

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Another example of a line that if it had survived until now it would be mad to be proposing it's closure - now it's mad to suggest it's re-opening!

Our systems and methods of promoting rail infrastructure enhancements are now so "mad" themselves that even "sensible" schemes are virtually impossible to bring to implementation

That doesn't mean that people on here should go along with the madness and condemn schemes such as Stirling- Callander that in a sensible world would be entirely possible.
It's not so much that we condemn schemes as place them in a list of likely priorities for the inevitably limited investment that's available. On the basis that economic regeneration is the main political driver for major rail projects in Scotland then straight away Levenmouth and Hawick jump to the top of the queue, and plush spots like Doune and Callander - or St Andrews - drop like a stone.

Put another way, Callander has a population of 2700 and Doune has 1600, a total of 4300. Levenmouth has 37000 and Hawick over 14000. Or the 55000 or so that would be served by reopening the Buchan line to Ellon, Fraserburgh and Peterhead. In the most sensible world then it isn't hard to work out where the reinstatements should go first.

Sorry, I'd love to see trains on this line again but it just isn't going to happen.
 

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Lots of housing built at various places on the old trackbed - as has been stated it will never re-open. The real crime is that it closed in the first place.
 

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this is through Dunblane upload_2018-3-28_6-57-56.png

through Doune:
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Through Callander (roughly)
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It would be lovely to have this railway. But it wouldn't be a "reopening"- you'd be talking about starting from scratch.
 

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As for Callander it's thronged with Tourists a steam train special would prove naysayers wrong.

The comments above suggesting the total impractability of this are certainly correct.

As someone who travels reasonably regularly through Callander, I know the tourists do come out in hordes - mostly on warm weekend days. I have fairly frequently driven through the town at other times and barely seen a person along the main street! For quite a lot of visitors, it is part of a bigger trip exploring the Trossachs, a trip I have done quite often over the last 40 years with visiting familiy or friends. A rail link to Callander, however delightful, does not give the flexibility that modern life-styles seem to demand.

Having said which a trip on a warm summer day around the Trossachs in an open charabanc, having alighted from a steam train at Callander, would be something I would pay good money for!
 
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It's Callander - the thread title needs correcting. Sadly, not the slightest chance of ever re-opening, even if the route was unobstructed. The rebuilding costs to today's standards would be enormous.
 

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Some of the line has already been reopened, and more of it is planned to be reopened - as a cycleway that is! ;) National Cycle Network Route 765 goes from Stirling to Dunblane and then uses some of the old trackbed to Doune. It is planned to go through Doune, then continue on the trackbed to Callander via Burn of Cambus, where it will connect with NCN 7.

Latest update from last year: https://www.nature.scot/sites/defau...3 - NWCN - Project progress table.pdf#page=5
 

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Did Dr Finlay, Dr Cameron, Dr Snoddie or the Mistress Niven ever use the line in the 1920's I wonder?
 

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Had the line remained open to Callander, both Doune & Callander would have had far more extensive house building than they presently do. Callander would be within a one hour commute of Glasgow by train.

My view is that the DD&C should never have closed. Or at least it should have become a heritage line - a relatively flat and straight route with a single level crossing between a historic and popular tourist site could have done well.

But that didn't happen. By 1985 the line had been fully built upon in Dunblane at Springbank mill. Further building has completely covered the route in Sunny-D. Then there was the Dunblane bypass in the late 1980s, the station site in Doune shortly after.
 

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Let's try applying @Altnabreac's 'Four Rules of Rail Reopening' to the Callander Line suggestion.

Here are the Four Rules:

1) Serve a population of 10,000+
2) 60 minutes (75 at a push) journey time of a major employment centre
3) Extant or mainly unobstructed trackbed
4) Ability to extend an existing service so more terminal capacity is not required


1). As we've established, population is not high enough. Together, Callander, Doune and Deanston have a combined population of 5,000 at most, which is only halfway there. As most of the new housing in Stirlingshire is around the Stirling/Bannockburn/Bridge of Allan area, it seems unlikely that expansion of the former three settlements will come any time soon.
2). On the previous thread, a total journey time of 75 minutes from Edinburgh to Callander was suggested, so this suggestion scrapes through that category at a push. I imagine that journey times to Glasgow Queen Street would be slightly shorter.
3). The cycleway shows that countryside trackbed is extant. However, it has also been established on this thread that new alignments would be necessary through the three towns, where housing and roads have encroached onto the old trackbed.
4). This one is fairly easy to solve - the powers that be could extend the Edinburgh-Dunblane terminators.

So we've probably got one-and-a-half out of four at most. The one thing that @Altnabreac's rules doesn't account for is tourism; although this can never be guaranteed, it is possible to factor in, so perhaps we're 50% of the way there if we're being optimistic.

Here is a list of projects in Scotland that would pass each of the criteria stated above:

Levenmouth
Grangemouth
Bridge of Weir
Kincardine

The following would each pass three of the four criteria:

Hawick (loss of alignment through Melrose)
Haddington & Tranent (loss of trackbed)
St Andrews (lack of services to extend)
Buchan & Formartine (lack of services to extend)
Banchory (lack of services to extend)
Westhill (lack of services to extend)
Lossiemouth (population)
Oldmeldrum (population)
Ballingry (population)

I would also place Glasgow Crossrail and Edinburgh-Perth via Glenfarg higher up the agenda, as well as Perth-Laurencekirk via Forfar (though I'm not sure about the alignments through the towns in that regard), than any new line to Callander.

So it's unlikely I'm afraid. The list of priorities above this one is too high. I'd imagine that, until Callander and Doune have a population of 10,000 between them, the rerouting of the Far North Line through Dornoch is more likely to go ahead than this one.
 
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