Class 465 and 466 set for storage/scrap: possible uses for them in future?

[Mikey C]

Yes they have the older GEC equipment and more problematic? Metro-Cammell bodywork, but it's a shame to lose the nicer interiors of the 465/9s.

 

[warwickshire]

I don't know what units were involved today, although according to the video description in this video that captured the first move this week, 10x 465/9s and 10x 466s are due to go in total, which would make sense as this totals 60 carriages, the same number that comprises the remaining 12x 707s coming over. I believe this leaves 24x 465/9s and 27-28x 466s, when considering the first units that went into storage.

EDIT: According to this link it was 465905 and 466013.

Thanks for the update

 

[warwickshire]

I’ve seen the list of units going - it’s 12 moves in total - each a 6 car 465 + 466

Thanks for the update,

 

[brad465]

If they are all moving to Worksop is this because Ely has no room, or because they're keeping them in warm storage in case they're suddenly needed again in the near future (or another reason). The 465/2s of course started at Worksop, then moved to cold storage in Ely, with some apparently being part-stripped in Doncaster.

 

[warwickshire]

If they are all moving to Worksop is this because Ely has no room, or because they're keeping them in warm storage in case they're suddenly needed again in the near future (or another reason). The 465/2s of course started at Worksop, then moved to cold storage in Ely, with some apparently being part-stripped in Doncaster.

I think that might be the case, possible may return but only if the 3775 in due course, was to move Southern ie due to demand for more units etc, or maybe return to Set also, before any new units arrive to Set ie 2027/2028 to replace Networkers.
However could be possible Warm store Worksop ie in case another needs replacing on Set major fault, sad but true Worksop might get stripped for parts due to its safe accommodation. However in time it's possible we might see in the not to distant future, its possible the Ely 4652 going to Newport or a scrap yard, with the or any remaining unwanted mk3s, as Ely has a clear out. Hopefully some return but only time will tell.

 

[SolomonSouth]

Yes they have the older GEC equipment and more problematic? Metro-Cammell bodywork, but it's a shame to lose the nicer interiors of the 465/9s.

The GEC units are actually more reliable, indeed the older equipment is still better as of today. As for bodyshells, some definitely do creak, 465905 being one of the bad ones, but they have a smooth ride (smoother than the BRELS I my opinion) and a nicer ambience.

There will still be 24 left after the storage moves are done though

 

[brad465]

One thing I've wondered about recently is what a hypothetical farewell tour would look like for 465/466s, if run. For the 455s and 313s it was quite simple, but in this case you have the complexity of two different manufactured/maintained designs and traction motors involved: it's possible that they withdraw all of one type first (most likely the MetCams as they currently have a head start in storage), so a final day of service tour would be all BRELs. However prospective users will likely want MetCams to feature, so if a tour was feasible/popular, there might have to be multiple tours that could be one all MetCam and one all BREL, or a mixed tour and then maybe an all BREL one at the very end if the demand is there. However this is probably still a long way off, given the tender notice for a replacement has a target of 2027, and may not even be getting approval yet.

 

[Class 466]

Thanks for confirming. Is there a particular reason they are moving them like that, rather than making 8 car moves (I'm sure there was at least one move in 2021 that was a 465 and 2x 466s)? It would reduce the number of workings required, but I don't decide this obviously.

No idea why, I know they did have some issues that limited it to two units with at least one of the 37s.

 

[brad465]

No idea why, I know they did have some issues that limited it to two units with at least one of the 37s.

I see, thanks for confirming.

466001 and 465913 on the move to Worksop today according to RailCam.

 

[Class455]

I see, thanks for confirming.

466001 and 465913 on the move to Worksop today according to RailCam.

The 465 was 933. That only had a major overhaul back in December!

 

[brad465]

The 465 was 933. That only had a major overhaul back in December!

Okay that record needs correcting. If the unit has had issues recently that may have bumped it up the order in line for storage, while logic would state the units furthest from their last overhaul would go first, I'm sure it's not as simple as that.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Is that verified?

There are two separate posts from different people in different locations on se-gen quoting 465 913.

 

[Class455]

Is that verified?

There are two separate posts from different people in different locations on se-gen quoting 465 913.

465933 : Rochester

Southeastern Class 465 unit No. 465933 passes Rochester in the consist of the 5Q26 11:01 Gillingham E.M.U.D. to Worksop Up Receptions stock movement for storage, hauled by Rail Operations Group Class 37 No. 37884 'Cepheus'

flic.kr

Even though the title of the picture says 913, you can clearly see it’s 933 being dragged

 

[brad465]

465933 : Rochester

Southeastern Class 465 unit No. 465933 passes Rochester in the consist of the 5Q26 11:01 Gillingham E.M.U.D. to Worksop Up Receptions stock movement for storage, hauled by Rail Operations Group Class 37 No. 37884 'Cepheus'

flic.kr

Even though the title of the picture says 913, you can clearly see it’s 933 being dragged

Perhaps there was a last minute switch and various sources/trackers couldn't keep up?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

465933 : Rochester

Southeastern Class 465 unit No. 465933 passes Rochester in the consist of the 5Q26 11:01 Gillingham E.M.U.D. to Worksop Up Receptions stock movement for storage, hauled by Rail Operations Group Class 37 No. 37884 'Cepheus'

flic.kr

Even though the title of the picture says 913, you can clearly see it’s 933 being dragged

Thank you - yes, that is 100% definitely 465 933.

 

[ls2270]

37884 hauling 465931 and 466017 to Worksop as 5Q26 today.

 

[brad465]

37884 hauling 465931 and 466017 to Worksop as 5Q26 today.

By coincidence 466017 is on one of my coasters.

 

[ScotGG]

A real shame the /9s are going. They're so much better inside for passengers than the filthy 466 and 0/01s