Cardiff's binge drinking culture (audio)

[thefab444]

So you are saying about 80%ish of the drivers at your depot are p155heads then? nice!

Well considering my depot (wherever, whatever that may be) contains 0 drivers, then I guess you could say 80% of them are!

Sounds like you've been on the sauce sir!

 

[yorkie]

Do you think an audio clip of drunk people in Cardiff is representative of the entire population under the age of 25?

No, do you?

Get a grip.

I have a grip. Do you?

There have been fights between drunk people since there was first alcohol.

I'd like to hear about them, but more relevantly, the frequency of them? Perhaps you can enlighten us.

Are you a Daily Mail reader yorkie?

Nope. Are you?
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That's one heck of a sweeping statement! Yorkie, I'm sure the Daily Mail would be glad of your services.

You're not living in the real world then....

I doubt the Daily Mail would be interested in my services at all given most of my views would be in direct conflict with theirs!
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I didn't say it was fair either. Stop twisting words and putting words in my mouth.

I don't think Royal Oak is the one doing that!

 

[j0hn0]

my 2 cents, if anyone cares

Street behaviour has not changed, just talk to your parents, honestly. My uncle was a "street tough" back in the day, you just didn't walk home that way. He thought nothing of biking to the pub, having 12 pints of guiness and then biking home. It wasn't until he crashed and nearly killed himself that his attitude changed.

When I was a kid (I am now 33) there were always "Kevs" hanging around at the shops or in parks causing trouble, spitting at you, trying to steal your stuff etc etc.

To say that everything is different now is just plain wrong.

The key here is "responsibility".

I live in Germany, I have also lived in Holland. In these countries and most european countries, drinks are brought to your table in a civilised manner. You order more when you need and you settle at the end of the night.

I cannot imagine that happening in England, although starting a real ale pub with table service is something that I am interested in. I would also brew german lager locally also. One of my bugbears about "real ale", there is no lager. In Germany, they brew lager in the same way that they do real ale in the UK, by not adding chemicals

If the alcohol in england has less preservatives and toxic chemicals that just send you loopy, there would be no need for all this commotion. One has to ask why they put these chemicals in the beer when it is brewed in this country?

so my solution, remove the chemicals, encourage real ale pubs and local breweries, introduce table service.

However, the majority of people in the UK are not cultured or restrained, so it would have to be opened as a niche. Perhaps then it could catch on slowly and remove the all you can drink at wetherspoons rubbish. Outlaw it when there is an alternative.

We also forget that the british, what is the 1 thing that we are the best at??

yep, fighting. If we can't fight any enemies, we will fight amongst ourselves

 

[142094]

One of my bugbears about "real ale", there is no lager.

Some of the small breweries are starting to do lager-type brews, but usually if you want a decent lager you go for the original, either German or Czech, and some of the Belgian ones can be alright.

 

[j0hn0]

Some of the small breweries are starting to do lager-type brews, but usually if you want a decent lager you go for the original, either German or Czech, and some of the Belgian ones can be alright.

Yes, but these are not original german or czech lagers because they are imported. Anything that requires importing needs chemical preservatives. Anything that goes outside of germany is called "export".

It needs to be brewed in-house, free of chemicals for it to taste right. Local brew here is called Altbier, a really dark lager but really nice. I recently had one in the UK and it was awful in comparison.

The german purity law is a wonderful thing, it doesnt stop germans binge drinking though

 

[Oswyntail]

John,
Yes, there have always been young hooligans who hung around in groups, were aggressive and made walking home a nightmare. But I don't think they are the real question here, and I don't think their number has grown. What I am seeing a lot more of is drunkenness, a lot of it aggressive, but a lot of it plain d&d that turns violent (as drunks can), and featuring not the violent neds but the lads and lasses out for a good time. Now whose idea of a good time involves falling over in a pool of your own vomit is quite beyond me (I thought the fairly recent TV add showing a lad making himself ready for the end of a night out was quite good).

 

[Greenback]

my 2 cents, if anyone cares

Street behaviour has not changed, just talk to your parents, honestly. My uncle was a "street tough" back in the day, you just didn't walk home that way. He thought nothing of biking to the pub, having 12 pints of guiness and then biking home. It wasn't until he crashed and nearly killed himself that his attitude changed.

When I was a kid (I am now 33) there were always "Kevs" hanging around at the shops or in parks causing trouble, spitting at you, trying to steal your stuff etc etc.

To say that everything is different now is just plain wrong.

The key here is "responsibility".

I live in Germany, I have also lived in Holland. In these countries and most european countries, drinks are brought to your table in a civilised manner. You order more when you need and you settle at the end of the night.

I cannot imagine that happening in England, although starting a real ale pub with table service is something that I am interested in. I would also brew german lager locally also. One of my bugbears about "real ale", there is no lager. In Germany, they brew lager in the same way that they do real ale in the UK, by not adding chemicals

If the alcohol in england has less preservatives and toxic chemicals that just send you loopy, there would be no need for all this commotion. One has to ask why they put these chemicals in the beer when it is brewed in this country?

so my solution, remove the chemicals, encourage real ale pubs and local breweries, introduce table service.

However, the majority of people in the UK are not cultured or restrained, so it would have to be opened as a niche. Perhaps then it could catch on slowly and remove the all you can drink at wetherspoons rubbish. Outlaw it when there is an alternative.

We also forget that the british, what is the 1 thing that we are the best at??

yep, fighting. If we can't fight any enemies, we will fight amongst ourselves

I agree that there are too many chemicals and preservatives, and it would be nice to see a relaxed, table service in pubs. And of course there have always been local hard nuts who were best avoided.

But it's wrong to say that street behaviour has not deteriorated. Walk through any city or reasonably sized town on a weekend night and you will see all manner of unpleasant behaviour. One of my favourites was at 6.10, a man dancing in frankly horrible pants, whilst shouting obscenities outside a Wetherspoons. Now I don't call that good behaviour, and is just one example of what goes on.

Also, it's not traditional pubs that contribute to the rowdiness. It;s the huge chains with their special offers on shots, their pounding music and flashing lights that get people so wound up they think they can do anything...

 

[the sniper]

You're not living in the real world then....

Correction, I'm not living in your world.

You've taken the typical negative stereotypical image of kids and applied it to every single one of them.

If having a hobby is considered as being sad by all 'da youths' these days (I'd say it's no more or less of a phenomenon then it's ever been), and all youths are just fun loving criminals, why have organisations like the Scouts seen their biggest membership surge in 40 years recently? Do the record number of teenagers joining also fall under your 'do anything they want and have no responsibilities whatsoever' rhetoric?

I maintain that there are many more respectable young people then there are the type that you describe, the only difference is, the decent ones aren't smashing down the bus stop outside your house at 3am, so you don't notice them.

 

[j0hn0]

I agree that there are too many chemicals and preservatives, and it would be nice to see a relaxed, table service in pubs. And of course there have always been local hard nuts who were best avoided.

But it's wrong to say that street behaviour has not deteriorated. Walk through any city or reasonably sized town on a weekend night and you will see all manner of unpleasant behaviour. One of my favourites was at 6.10, a man dancing in frankly horrible pants, whilst shouting obscenities outside a Wetherspoons. Now I don't call that good behaviour, and is just one example of what goes on.

Also, it's not traditional pubs that contribute to the rowdiness. It;s the huge chains with their special offers on shots, their pounding music and flashing lights that get people so wound up they think they can do anything...

I agree that it is the chains that encourage it, I only drink in real ale pubs now, they are the only real pubs left.

If I actually saw that bloke you mentioned, I would probably laugh
But I rarely frequent any city centres these days because the pubs are just awful, as you described. My girlfriends local is an excellent real ale pub, and the one where my friends all go in town is also real ale, but not in the town centre.

Its amazing the difference in clientele and personally, they are just catering for a market that is there.

Can anyone here really say that they've never binge drunk? (apart from teetotallers of course)
Can anyone here really say that they've never done anything criminally embarassing when drunk?

Come on now

 

[Greenback]

I agree that it is the chains that encourage it, I only drink in real ale pubs now, they are the only real pubs left.

If I actually saw that bloke you mentioned, I would probably laugh
But I rarely frequent any city centres these days because the pubs are just awful, as you described. My girlfriends local is an excellent real ale pub, and the one where my friends all go in town is also real ale, but not in the town centre.

Its amazing the difference in clientele and personally, they are just catering for a market that is there.

Can anyone here really say that they've never binge drunk? (apart from teetotallers of course)
Can anyone here really say that they've never done anything criminally embarassing when drunk?

Come on now

Well, I have binge drunk on many, many occasions by simply having six pints over the course of four hours on a warm Summer's evening!

When I was younger I was a bit of a heavy drinker, I went to clubs with my mates, I was sick sometimes, but I never had a fight, I was never disorderly and I never saw anyone so drunk that they didn't know who or where they were.

One thing I've noticed on trips abroad, to places such as Amsterdam, Mannheim and similar, is that people go to clubs to dance and not to get bladdered.