Buses that cross the TfL border

[radamfi]

How does this 'part tendering' work?

 

[Deerfold]

How does this 'part tendering' work?

I'd expect Surrey CC pay a contribution (probably based on the proportion of mileage added) to TfL on the extra bit they want - likely to be on the cost of the tender with any fares taken set against it..

 

[radamfi]

I'd expect Surrey CC pay a contribution (probably based on the proportion of mileage added) to TfL on the extra bit they want - likely to be on the cost of the tender with any fares taken set against it..

So essentially TfL handle the bidding process, decides who wins and the ongoing administration of the service, and Surrey just give them a few quid for extending the route into their territory?

Is there any documentation about this?

 

[Deerfold]

So essentially TfL handle the bidding process, decides who wins and the ongoing administration of the service, and Surrey just give them a few quid for extending the route into their territory?

Is there any documentation about this?

Not that I know of - I only said I'd "expect" that's what happens - based on the fact the route accepts all the normal TfL tickets.

 

[Statto]

N279 to Waltham Cross?

142 Watford junction-Brent Cross ok not exactly a 24 hour or all night route but first bus in both directions 4:45am with last bus both directions is around 1am.

Potters Bar & Garston depots whilst being outside London area do operate TFL routes. Potters Bar is mainly a London bus depot outside the TFL area, but operates commercial routes.

 

[73129]

Everyone's forgotten the fact that the 81 runs way outside the TfL zone.

 

[Deerfold]

Everyone's forgotten the fact that the 81 runs way outside the TfL zone.

I don't think we have. I used to catch it fairly often.

I don't remember anyone asking for routes which went way out or I'd have mentioned it earlier.

 

[73129]

I know, just pointing it out.

 

[Zoe]

142 Watford junction-Brent Cross ok not exactly a 24 hour or all night route but first bus in both directions 4:45am with last bus both directions is around 1am.

I expect one reason this route doesn't run 24 hours a day is that Watford isn't in Greater London. Night buses can get quiet near the end of their routes but TfL will pay for buses to run to places on the edge of Greater London 24 hours a day to provide a service even if the number of users wouldn't fully cover the cost of running it. It's not TfL's responsibility to provide this for Watford or any other towns just over the border. Same goes for any of the other towns which are just over the border, which is why I was surprised the service to Waltham Cross existed but the reasons for this have now been explained.

 

[bicbasher]

As with the majority of these cross-border routes, TfL are providing routes mainly aimed at GLA residents who live near to a town just outside the boundary or a part tendered with the local county council/unitary authority where it's mutually beneficial.

Watford Town Centre in particular has joined up thinking from TfL and Herts County Council which will see the Metropolitan line extended to Watford Junction and already is served by London Overground, TfL Route 142 and has Oyster acceptance at the local rail stations except for those north of Watford Junction.

Slough will also become more Oyster/TfL friendly once Crossrail launches which may take some pressure off Route 81.

 

[Mikey C]

I expect one reason this route doesn't run 24 hours a day is that Watford isn't in Greater London. Night buses can get quiet near the end of their routes but TfL will pay for buses to run to places on the edge of Greater London 24 hours a day to provide a service even if the number of users wouldn't fully cover the cost of running it. It's not TfL's responsibility to provide this for Watford or any other towns just over the border. Same goes for any of the other towns which are just over the border, which is why I was surprised the service to Waltham Cross existed but the reasons for this have now been explained.

Yes, I remember the N72 to Dartford, very infrequent (every 2 hours) and slow but useful. Crayford, which is inside the London boundary, also now has no night bus, which is surprising when you consider how comprehensive the night bus network is.