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Bus replacement issues - Needed to take a taxi instead

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AlterEgo

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So a taxi should have been provided but only if the passenger was connecting to another train?
That is what your own post suggests, but the OP wasn't making a connection. Are you proposing that the railway should taxi everyone delayed by an hour? Or less, even, as long as they're missing some event external to their contract with the railway. I don't see how this example.is any different than missing a party or a lecture or a job interview.

If it is *more than an hour* PRO will kick in.
 
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The railway company should be providing rail replacement buses with enough capacity to accommodate a train load of people. Clearly two buses is not enough to accommodate a train load of people and this is happening multiple times.
 

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Why does that matter? Arrival at one hour before with bags to check in would be cutting it too fine either way, even if the bus was bang on time.

I would agree with @AlterEgo though that simply from managing one’s stress levels, relying on a rail replacement bus to get you to an airport on time with no margin for delay is probably not a good idea.
I agree, Intl is of course 3 hours, and domestic 2 hours both minimum times, and yes if you know there is engineering and a bus allow at least another hour+
 

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The railway company should be providing rail replacement buses with enough capacity to accommodate a train load of people. Clearly two buses is not enough to accommodate a train load of people and this is happening multiple times.
Not that this assists the op, but finding companies with available buses and drivers for rail replacement work is very challenging in many parts of the country. bus companies simply do not keep spare vehicles and have stand by drivers they can just whistle up if needed. Asset utilisation is crucial.
 

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Clearly, for some reason, the bus provision on the occasion of the OP's trip was insufficient, but seemingly there is no obligation to deal with passengers whose journeys are disrupted as a result? Given the way 'the railway' is often taken to task for its undoubted failings on this forum I am rather surprised by this.
 

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Clearly, for some reason, the bus provision on the occasion of the OP's trip was insufficient, but seemingly there is no obligation to deal with passengers whose journeys are disrupted as a result?
They are obliged to deal with them, either by accommodation on the next service or otherwise in line with the PRO as explained to thread. They are not obliged to fetch taxis or spot buses for people who have not suffered severe disruption (that is, an hour or less) just because they are going to an airport or birthday party or driving test or whatever.

The passenger can try to leverage their statutory rights by claiming the service was not provided with reasonable care and skill but there is no guarantee of success. The fact a bus was full is not evidence of that alone - the provision has to be in line with expected industry standards and so on. The result and impact on the passenger are basically immaterial to that test, but the actions and mindfulness of the service provider are material. If XC say "this is in line with the usual passenger loading for this line (presents data) and we adhere to the industry standard" that is a fairly good defence.

Of course we hope they get their refund, but also this sort of trip planning where they left no redundancy in the event of a mishap and now must rely on asking for £75 back is asking for trouble. There are frequent NX buses to Stansted from Cambridge which are reservation only and are far more reliable.
 

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Clearly, for some reason, the bus provision on the occasion of the OP's trip was insufficient, but seemingly there is no obligation to deal with passengers whose journeys are disrupted as a result? Given the way 'the railway' is often taken to task for its undoubted failings on this forum I am rather surprised by this.
Is it any different to a hourly train rolling in completely full that it leaves passengers behind?
 

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There are frequent NX buses to Stansted from Cambridge which are reservation only and are far more reliable.
They may be more reliable but, judging by the timetable I looked at earlier today, frequent is overstating it a bit.
 
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