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Blackpool Airport to close?

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Most airports will list their fees to aircraft on their sites. Though these are for one off visitors and resident aircraft/airlines always got a discount on these fees. Typically there would be a landing fee (per tonne) covering ATC, Runway wear & Parking and a Fee per Passenger for Security, Luggage handling etc*. Now Airlines are really trying to hammer down the airport fees, I understand Ryanair now expects new airports to pay them to fly there. The Airport has to cover it's cost from else where.
 
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Flying is not going to get cheaper anytime soon. Even more efficient planes won't be enough. Until we have some new cheap energy source or can fly a whole plane from solar or something, something will have to give.

Airports are of course trying to become more like shopping malls where you go home by air, and Heathrow clearly goes for more expensive retailers and brands than most.
 

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I remember Blackpool airport before it was renovated when it had a tiny check-in baggage area. It was basically just a big room with a check in desk and a roller-conveyor belt - you probably couldn't get more than 10-20 people in there at once. That was when they did small aircraft IOM and channel island flights, and maybe Ireland? Not that long ago either - 25 years?

It was an exciting time when they started doing a single, once a week trip to Spain with a larger aircraft and they added a large portable room to use as a lounge. Even then the plane was probably only a 100 seater or so. It was on a Sunday and sad to see, we went down a few times to watch it land and take off!

Remarkable to see how they developed it - really thought it was going to grow, but other than the two Jet2 planes that were based there, nothing else new came along, which was a great shame.

So good to have quick and painless check in, security, customs and baggage reclaim - it was a real breeze compared to the horror of Manchester.

I think it's a classic case of a large firm like BB raping a good amenity for their own good (i.e. in this case for housing land), either that or just their incompetence at being unable to run a booze up in a brewery.
 

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Or how about a combo of the two?

Another point is that there are trains to Manchester Airport from both Blackpool North and Southport, and I believe even as far away as Carlisle. So, with that in mind (the nearest rail station to Blackpool Airport was Squires Gate, even then a fair hike from the station to the terminal), is it any wonder folk and perhaps airlines chose not to use Blackpool?
 

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Watched the debate on Parliament Channel r/e Blackpool airport yeaterday. Even after that, it's as clear as The Ribble's mud what will happen next.

Seems to need government enterprise grants to continue, and there is the possibility of selling off part of the airport's space to raise revenue.
 

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jonmorris0844:1955408 said:
Flying is not going to get cheaper anytime soon. Even more efficient planes won't be enough. Until we have some new cheap energy source or can fly a whole plane from solar or something, something will have to give.

Eventually, oil will get so expensive that flying will no longer be affordable for the masses, unless technology fixes that. But at the moment, oil appears to be relatively cheap compared to recent years. You would expect that to be reflected in new journey opportunities or lower fares.
 

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Technology will fix it. But it's not just oil, it will be lots of other costs including maintenance, staff costs etc.

That's assuming people want to continue getting paid a fair amount and we don't skimp on parts, maintenance, training etc.

I did hear someone on TV point out that we just need to accept that air travel will get more expensive and stop trying to kid ourselves that you can still fly for pennies because you ignore all the other costs and fees.
 

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Technology will fix it. But it's not just oil, it will be lots of other costs including maintenance, staff costs etc.

That's assuming people want to continue getting paid a fair amount and we don't skimp on parts, maintenance, training etc.

I did hear someone on TV point out that we just need to accept that air travel will get more expensive and stop trying to kid ourselves that you can still fly for pennies because you ignore all the other costs and fees.
Assuming oil costs will rise (as will wages, running costs etc) what may keep the airlines *cheap* is, as you say, technology.
The way forward seems to be bigger airliners carrying more passengers being able to use less fuel/passenger; which is where tech is taking us (lighter aircraft for example) but none of that will help Blackpool as there isn't enough runway - unless it's extended into the sea!
But for now, less weight = less fuel and if you want an air ticket for £50 go ahead, but your bag will cost another £50 to carry on board!! I can see a business boom in couriers taking suitcases from home to resort and back again...which I think happens already??
 

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At least Norwegian have gone back to the low frills principles where you pay a low fare and then pay extras for everything. I haven't been transatlantic since the collapse of Zoom Airlines as the fares have gone too high for my liking, but Norwegian have managed to tempt me on a trip to Florida in January. I'm quite happy taking my own food, letting them choose my seat and not checking in a bag.
 

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At least Norwegian have gone back to the low frills principles where you pay a low fare and then pay extras for everything. I haven't been transatlantic since the collapse of Zoom Airlines as the fares have gone too high for my liking, but Norwegian have managed to tempt me on a trip to Florida in January. I'm quite happy taking my own food, letting them choose my seat and not checking in a bag.

Good Luck with that. Their 787 reliability has been atrocious (as they literally have no downtime/slack in the fleet for work to be done)
 

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It seems that there is a time-limit of five weeks for any realist proposals to made for a sustainable airport proposal - meanwhile local MPs?Councillors appear to be trying to scare off offers from property developers during that window:
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/n...yers-must-act-quickly-says-fylde-mp-1-6935970

Individuals are also resorting to scare tactics around safety fears if the airport remains closed:
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/n...y-threat-fears-over-loss-of-airport-1-6937611
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More news on the losses:
http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/north-west/127808-uncertain-wait-blackpool-airport-creditors/
 
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Eventually, oil will get so expensive that flying will no longer be affordable for the masses, unless technology fixes that.

What people seem to be blind to, is that the rising cost of Oil, if the price goes up massively as the Oil runs out as some predict, will not just affect the cost of petrol for road vehicles, or aviation fuel. It will have a catastrophic effect on the World's economic base and will have very serious implications for life as we know it.

The effect will be on and will jeopardise...
Food production, both cultivation and food processing/manufacturing.
Transportation of Food to the market place.
Increased costs to manufacturing and Industry.
Increased costs of raw materials, including Oil based products themselves.
Increased cost of clothing manufacturing, which is heavily dependant on Oil based materials.
Effect on the electronics industries who are heavily dependant on Oil base materials as well as in the manufacturing processes.
Increased transport costs for all goods, by all means, road, rail, air and by sea.
Increased costs for power generation.
Construction is also heavily dependant on petrol/diesel.

All these activities will be impacted and the increased costs will not affect economic activity in a linear way, but is likely to be uneven and likely to skew the viability of much business activity.
This will inevitably lead to a change in the patterns of global economic activity.
It will affect many areas including the end of, shut down or collapse of certain sectors of business activity.
The resulting prospects for employment and the potential knock on effect looks quite scary. It has all the hallmarks of a Domino Effect if not managed effectively.

In a worst case scenario, with the scale of disruption, it will totally bankrupt governments as their income streams will largely dry up. No prospect of dole money or benefits, or the ability to support the same level of health care provision.

So rather than the cost of Oil rising to very high levels, making flying unaffordable to most and forcing us all out of cars and onto trains, the prospect is of a different scenario, where there won't be as much need for trains.


I type this on a keyboard, made mostly out of Oil.
The PC contains lots of Oil based components. Oil was used in its manufacture, the manufacture of its packaging, transportation from the other side of the world, the design, marketing and sales etc, etc.
The chair I'm sitting on contains Oil based foam and is clad in Oil based man made fibre material.
The clothes I'm wearing include items that have Oil based man made fibres in them. Again, Oil was involved in the manufacture, transportation, sales etc, etc,
I'm shortly going to get in my car and drive to the shops to buy some groceries.
The manufacture of the car involved oil. It contains lots of Oil based plastics, components, plastic insulated wiring blah blah; and of course needs Oil to power it. I could walk.
The food and other groceries were all dependant on Oil for there cultivation, farming, manufacturing, processing, packaging, transportation (several stages), marketing and sales.
Our homes, our places of work, towns, cities and the general environment are awash with products derived from Oil and Oil made it all possible.
The whole modern world is based on and revolves around Oil and our lives, employment and the world's economy are totally dependant on it.

Sorry to rant on folks, but if you haven't already done so, do give it some thought.


 

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What people seem to be blind to, is that the rising cost of Oil, if the price goes up massively as the Oil runs out as some predict, will not just affect the cost of petrol for road vehicles, or aviation fuel. It will have a catastrophic effect on the World's economic base and will have very serious implications for life as we know it.


Im going to start buying now that the price has dropped then as I dont want to be without oil for food :lol:
 

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What people seem to be blind to, is that the rising cost of Oil, if the price goes up massively as the Oil runs out as some predict, will not just affect the cost of petrol for road vehicles, or aviation fuel. It will have a catastrophic effect on the World's economic base and will have very serious implications for life as we know it.

Oil will run out gradually rather than all at once. Unless some sort of market panic sets in it seems to me unlikely that the price will spike any more so than it has done in the past (1974 probably being the worst), which was uncomfortable rather than cataclysmic.

Hence we should be doing what we can (and a lot more than what we are) to prepare ourselves for a likely future where oil is scarce. Many of these things are the same things we need to be doing to address climate change. That way those things that can more easily transfer from oil to other energy can do so (rail electrification being an obvious example) so that what oil there is can be used for the most essential purposes. This might include prioritising air links to places that would otherwise become very isolated - I'm in Dublin tonight and I don't know what Ireland would be without air travel. Certainly much more important to provide links between Dublin and the rest of the world than to allow people to go on their hols from Blackpool instead of Manchester!
 

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Note advertising job vacancies doesn't guarantee people will be employed in those roles.

BBC News said:
Blackpool Airport will reopen for small aircraft and helicopters but will not serve commercial passengers.

A company called Squires Gate Airport Operations Limited was incorporated six days ago at site owner Balfour Beatty's offices in London.

The company is advertising for air traffic controllers and other staff to work at the airport from December 1.

They will be part of a new operations team supporting independent operators and businesses at the site.

Balfour Beatty closed the airport last month after failing to secure a buyer, with the loss of about 100 jobs.

A spokesman said: "Following the airport closure, we announced our commitment to develop a sustainable future for aviation services at Blackpool Airport. Today is the first step in that process.

"Squires Gate Airport Operations Ltd will support the return of independent aviation businesses to Blackpool, including Bond Offshore Helicopters.

"We look forward to working with the local councils and other stakeholders as we seek to ensure a long term future for flying in Blackpool."

Bond Offshore Helicopters operates services to oil and gas rigs in the Irish Sea.

£35m debt
Blackpool Airport Ltd, the Balfour Beatty company that ran the airport, owes creditors about £35m, a report by liquidators shows.

External companies and groups are owed £2.1m, including £10,500 to Blackpool Council and £168,672 to Fylde Borough Council.

The staff redundancy bill totals more than £4.3m but the report estimates that only £528,244 will be available to pay towards this cost.

The government will have to cover outstanding staff costs from the National Insurance Fund.

Balfour Beatty faces a loss of around £19m.

The company in charge of liquidation, Zolfo Cooper, revealed around £28.6m of the debt is owed to other Balfour Beatty companies.

But this can be offset against other internal funds, meaning the final cost to the company is reduced to £19m. Balfour Beatty declined to comment on the figures.

The report estimates Blackpool Airport Ltd's assets are £562,193.

This covers the amount owed to preferential creditors and the remaining £528,244 will be put towards paying unsecured creditors.

But this would leave outstanding debts totalling £34.5m not covered under the settlement outlined by liquidators.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-30096643
 

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So that is emphatic then that there will be no commercial services from Blackpool - unless of course there is change, such as the end of APD, to the cost of commercial operations.
 

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So we thinking part time and zero hours staff?

Yes, if that is the only way the numbers can work - with the exception that most will probably be on short-term contracts rather than permanent in case it does not work out.
 
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