Avanti Pendolino Calling Pattern Announcements

[Warrior2852]

Something I've always wondered about but never been able to find an answer on... Is there a reason that Pendolinos when announcing the calling pattern don't say the destination at the end of the list? It always ends at e.g. Carlisle instead of finishing with e.g. "and Glasgow Central". It's the only train in the country I've seen do this, and was wondering if there was a specific reason why? To me it always ends up sounding like it's been awkwardly cut off mid sentence. Also are there any other examples of this announcement pattern elsewhere I haven't seen?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Something I've always wondered about but never been able to find an answer on... Is there a reason that Pendolinos when announcing the calling pattern don't say the destination at the end of the list? It always ends at e.g. Carlisle instead of finishing with e.g. "and Glasgow Central". It's the only train in the country I've seen do this, and was wondering if there was a specific reason why? To me it always ends up sounding like it's been awkwardly cut off mid sentence. Also are there any other examples of this announcement pattern elsewhere I haven't seen?

To be honest, I think if the train is going to Glasgow Central, you don’t really need to say it stops there too. What annoys me is not the lack of the destination there but the lack of “and” before the penultimate station.

 

[nilvaj395]

To be honest, I think if the train is going to Glasgow Central, you don’t really need to say it stops there too. What annoys me is not the lack of the destination there but the lack of “and” before the penultimate station.

This, the missing and is annoying!

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However I do find it weird that it dosent announce the last station in addition, it really is an outlier compared to everything else. Hypothetical, but if someone wasn't paying attention to the first bit, could they be caught out that it is not announced on the end of the calling pattern?

 

[Warrior2852]

To be honest, I think if the train is going to Glasgow Central, you don’t really need to say it stops there too.

Maybe, but it does have potential to confuse people through it being different to the rest of the country's trains.

 

[RailWonderer]

I don't want Avanti to change anything, their announcements are short and concise, a rare thing on UK trains with automated announcements these days. If only they dropped the obvious, *** it, *** it, ******, it would be perfect for me.

 

[Falcon1200]

Is there a reason that Pendolinos when announcing the calling pattern don't say the destination at the end of the list?

Because they announce 'this train is for Glasgow Central calling at.....'. So they have already mentioned the destination!

 

[Warrior2852]

Because they announce 'this train is for Glasgow Central calling at.....'. So they have already mentioned the destination!

Every other train also does that though and lists it at the end of the calling pattern, they all say it twice. The question is why is this train the only one to do it differently by only saying it once at the start of the announcement.

 

[Falcon1200]

The question is why is this train the only one to do it differently by only saying it once at the start of the announcement.

No real need to say it twice, presumably?

 

[Merle Haggard]

A curiosity of the Euston Solari screens of days gone, which irritated me as a pedant, was that sometimes they displayed as the last station in the list of calling points the ultimate destination - and sometimes not, apparently randomly. Not sure whether this is the case anywhere now.

This, the missing and is annoying!

You would be appreciative of the (presumably text to voice) announcements made at LNw stations (or at least, Northampton) where the word 'and' is much louder and more emphasised than the calling points.

 

[aaronspence]

It does feel a little silly when you hear for example, This train is for Edinburgh Waverly, the next stop is... Edinburgh waverly.

 

[Merle Haggard]

It does feel a little silly when you hear for example, This train is for Edinburgh Waverly, the next stop is... Edinburgh waverly.

It can be particularly silly on destination screens when a train is terminated short of destination ('pined' in B.R. code) - common on LNw. I remember waiting at Milton Keynes for a Birmingham via Northampton train that had been pined at Northampton. It was not booked to call at Wolverton, so the previous display changed to '99.99 to Northampton via Northampton calling at Northampton'. Quite logical to an operator, I suppose.

 

[stadler]

Something I've always wondered about but never been able to find an answer on... Is there a reason that Pendolinos when announcing the calling pattern don't say the destination at the end of the list? It always ends at e.g. Carlisle instead of finishing with e.g. "and Glasgow Central". It's the only train in the country I've seen do this, and was wondering if there was a specific reason why? To me it always ends up sounding like it's been awkwardly cut off mid sentence. Also are there any other examples of this announcement pattern elsewhere I haven't seen?

It sounds awful. It makes the announcement sound broken. The 390s already have awful announcements with a voice that talks like she is voicing a TV advert trying to sell you a product and this lack of "and" and the "destination" makes it sound so unprofessional.

The old 390s voice (same voice still used on the XC 220/221 when the announcements are switched on) used until about 2014 was exactly the same and also failed to say "and" or the "destination" station. So it must be something how the PIS on the 390s is programmed. But it is rather odd especially as almost no other trains do this.

But it is not the only train to do this as the EMR 222s are exactly the same as the AWC 390s in that they fail to say "and" or the "destination" station:

Also a slightly similar one is the IE/NIR Enterprise De Dietrich sets which do say the final station but do not say "and" before it:

The other NIR 3000/4000 stock uses the same voice and the same PIS system so it is odd that they appear to have forgotten to add "and" here.

 

[Merle Haggard]

It sounds awful. It makes the announcement sound broken. The 390s already have awful announcements with a voice that talks like she is voicing a TV advert trying to sell you a product and this lack of "and" and the "destination" makes it sound so unprofessional.

The old 390s voice (same voice still used on the XC 220/221 when the announcements are switched on) used until about 2014 was exactly the same and also failed to say "and" or the "destination" station. So it must be something how the PIS on the 390s is programmed. But it is rather odd especially as almost no other trains do this.

But it is not the only train to do this as the EMR 222s are exactly the same as the AWC 390s in that they fail to say "and" or the "destination" station:

Also a slightly similar one is the IE/NIR Enterprise De Dietrich sets which do say the final station but do not say "and" before it:

The other NIR 3000/4000 stock uses the same voice and the same PIS system so it is odd that they appear to have forgotten to add "and" here.

I travel on 222's a lot, and I can't remember an automated announcement ever being made - always the T.M.

 

[MCR247]

It sounds awful. It makes the announcement sound broken. The 390s already have awful announcements with a voice that talks like she is voicing a TV advert trying to sell you a product and this lack of "and" and the "destination" makes it sound so unprofessional.

The old 390s voice (same voice still used on the XC 220/221 when the announcements are switched on) used until about 2014 was exactly the same and also failed to say "and" or the "destination" station. So it must be something how the PIS on the 390s is programmed. But it is rather odd especially as almost no other trains do this.

But it is not the only train to do this as the EMR 222s are exactly the same as the AWC 390s in that they fail to say "and" or the "destination" station:

Also a slightly similar one is the IE/NIR Enterprise De Dietrich sets which do say the final station but do not say "and" before it:

The other NIR 3000/4000 stock uses the same voice and the same PIS system so it is odd that they appear to have forgotten to add "and" here.

If you hadn’t attached videos there is no way I’d have believed you that there was automated announcements on the 222s.

 

[stadler]

I travel on 222's a lot, and I can't remember an automated announcement ever being made - always the T.M.

If you hadn’t attached videos there is no way I’d have believed you that there was automated announcements on the 222s.

It does seem to be switched off 99% all the time for some unknown reason. Both the EMR 222 and the XC 220/221 have automated announcements that are extrenely rarely used. Every now and again you will find a train with them switched on but it is rare. I presume only a small drivers or guards bother to set up the automated announcements and the majority just prefer to make manual announcements.

 

[Merle Haggard]

It does seem to be switched off 99% all the time for some unknown reason. Both the EMR 222 and the XC 220/221 have automated announcements that are extrenely rarely used. Every now and again you will find a train with them switched on but it is rare. I presume only a small drivers or guards bother to set up the automated announcements and the majority just prefer to make manual announcements.

The example must date from before the introduction of the Connect service anyway, because there's no train with that calling pattern now. There's an early-ish morning Nottingham that makes some of these calls South of Kettering but not all.

 

[BJames]

The example must date from before the introduction of the Connect service anyway, because there's no train with that calling pattern now. There's an early-ish morning Nottingham that makes some of these calls South of Kettering but not all.

One of the videos above (the second one) must be newer as it has the grey seats rather than the red in the 222 standard class!

I fully agree though as a formerly regular user on this route that I've never once heard an automated announcement either.

 

[polskism]

It does seem odd that the 222s and 390s can’t or couldn’t do this, given that Avanti's 221s used the exact same PIS system and were able to announce the destination at the end of the calling point list.

 

[Steddenm]

It does seem odd that the 222s and 390s can’t or couldn’t do this, given that Avanti's 221s used the exact same PIS system and were able to announce the destination at the end of the calling point list.

It is a different PIS system on the Voyagers compared to the Pandolinos. Might be the same voice but the TMS and PIS are different.

 

[stadler]

It is a different PIS system on the Voyagers compared to the Pandolinos. Might be the same voice but the TMS and PIS are different.

It might be different versions but i always thought that they both used the Televic system.

Pendolino:

Alstom - Electric tilting train Class 390 “Pendolino” | Televic

www.televic.com

Voyager:

Bombardier - DEMU Class 220 “Voyager” | Televic

www.televic.com

Other users of the Televic system say both "and" and the final "destination" so i have no idea why they do not.