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i was on a service between Cardiff and Carmarthen last month and a group of boys boarded at Skewen and were chanting Swansea City songs and using f.... and c.... words loudly amongst other passengers. when the guard came round checking my ticket i noticed he did ask them to watch their language but decided to leave them alone ticket wise. They all left at Swansea (obviously to top up their alcohol levels) and was wondering what happens if the barriers stop them and they protest "the guard never came to us to buy our tickets" ???
 
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Well what would you do charge them for a ticket and get a mouthful and possibly a fist in the face or leave it be

sod em I say I'll back any guard in this situation it's not worth confrounting the drunks they get off you won't see them again today and you go home have not had a mouthful or worse a fistful

if they kick off at the station btp can get in and arrest them in no time on a train however it's very different as you have to wait
 
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Well what would you do charge them for a ticket and get a mouthful and possibly a fist in the face or leave it be

sod em I say I'll back any guard in this situation it's not worth confrounting the drunks they get off you won't see them again today and you go home have not had a mouthful or worse a fistful

if they kick off at the station btp can get in and arrest them in no time on a train however it's very different as you have to wait

what you said is of course correct as regards guard safety but my question concerns them getting out at Swansea. there is no way the barriers or staff are going to just "leave it" coz they're drunk. the BTP would be in full presence at this city terminal and would they be forced to pay the full standard single fare?
 

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I would say so yes failing that a fine and a night in one of the polices comfy cells, depends on the time I guess after a certain time barrier staff go home but if the station they got on at had the ticket office open then I would guess they would be made to pay up the full fare
 

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Yes I was chatting to a guard on the wag who was telling me there's always one train at night that's full of drunken louts throwing up and swearing as he said it's just not worth it. During the day I would hope there's always someone on the train that's more than happy to help drag a violent person off the train. Sadly though voilence towards staff has happened. But as I said if a train is full of drunks then I don't blame the guard for not gripping
 
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This sort of thing does make me wonder why Guards aren't trained in self-defence and disarmament... :?:

After all: If someone kicked off at a Guard for no reason, and that same Guard tied the offending person in knots before forcably ejecting them from the train at 125mph, I'd fully support the Guard's decision to act in that way. <D

FAR too many rail staff get treated like s*** by passengers nowadays... <(
 

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Unfortunately "the law" sees it differently and it would probably be the guard in court for inciting the violence (by asking to see the ticket) and not the #### who really started it. Not to mention the guard would be in trouble with his TOC and their "no touching" policy, for fear of being sued.

A guards job is a thankless one at the best of times, but when you are dealing with drunks it really isn't worth it.

There have been a few instances where things have kicked off, the guard is taken to court, found not guilty and still loses his job, so most stay out the way and I don't blame then one little bit as they have very little to gain and so much to lose.

Always strikes me as strange that management tell guards what to do but are never seen on trains after about 8 o'clock, cant think why!
 

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I believe that South Wales has a less than honourable position in the passenger violence league.

Living in South Wales, I sadly have to agree that there are some problems.

Yes I was chatting to a guard on the wag who was telling me there's always one train at night that's full of drunken louts throwing up and swearing as he said it's just not worth it. During the day I would hope there's always someone on the train that's more than happy to help drag a violent person off the train. Sadly though voilence towards staff has happened. But as I said if a train is full of drunks then I don't blame the guard for not gripping

I was interested to see what happened the other Sunday night in Swansea, when returning from Manchester. The 2231 from Cardiff to Fishguard was diverted through the Vale of Glamorgan line and was in Swansea at around midnight as a result. Some drunk lads came running down platform 1, whooping and shouting, before boarding the train. One then sat down, and appeared to be on the point of vomiting (if not actually so) when the conductor and driver appeared from opposite ends to find out what was going on. What they did was to get the youth into the toilet before he did any damage and have a little chat with his friends. I don;t know what was said, but we set off a few minutes later and the conductor kept a very close eye on them!

Now, these lads appeared to be more exuberant than loutish, but how do the train crew know that until they approach and talk to them? It could all have very easily turned nasty, so I am glad that they ensured that the drunks were OK, and not going to cause any trouble!

Unfortunately "the law" sees it differently and it would probably be the guard in court for inciting the violence (by asking to see the ticket) and not the #### who really started it. Not to mention the guard would be in trouble with his TOC and their "no touching" policy, for fear of being sued.

A guards job is a thankless one at the best of times, but when you are dealing with drunks it really isn't worth it.

There have been a few instances where things have kicked off, the guard is taken to court, found not guilty and still loses his job, so most stay out the way and I don't blame then one little bit as they have very little to gain and so much to lose.

Always strikes me as strange that management tell guards what to do but are never seen on trains after about 8 o'clock, cant think why!

You are right, it's a pity the TOC's aren;t more interested in protecting their own staff and well behaved passengers. Like many other parts of our society, they seem to have given up and tolerate anti social behaviour to the detriment of the majority, who will either refuse to travel, or have a very poor travelling experience on weekend nights, unless they are also completely trolleyed like the yobs!
 
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