A pronunciation question Optare

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I am always amused when certain high-level Americans refer to :-

Eye - Ran

Eye - Rack

 

[Mutant Lemming]

Bearing in mind that Scania is a preexisting word in English, rhyming with mania, .

:P

I thought Scania rhymed with Manea.

I blame the Swiss - soon as they took over Rowntree they had us calling it Ness-lay rather than Nessells. What have they ever given the world apart from chocolate, cuckoo clocks and a place to launder the world's dirty money ?

 

[Eagle]

I thought Scania rhymed with Manea.

Manea rhymes with rainy... :P

 

[Yew]

What do we all think about the Ford KA?! I always assumed that it was pronounced simply "car", hence it is a car and thus a fairly straightforward, if slightly daft name. But it appears that actually "K A", spoken as two separate characters, is 'correct'. Is it only me who thinks that sort of defeats the point?!

I generally to K, a, or occasionally ill call it my KA!

 

[Class172]

How you do think I feel living in Bath? I say "Barth"; most say "Baath" or "Bahth" - and some, including most from Bristol, say "Bahff"!

My pronunciation of Bath is probably closest to the lattermost, but not with the westcountry accent.

On a similar note, what about other places names such as Poole: do you say P-OO-le or 'Paul'?

Or even scone: is it sc-OH-nn or sc-ON?

 

[Oracle]

Ford KA = officially as per the snake in The Jungle Book, i.e. 'car'. Not Kay-Ay
Poole = pool, and not as my Dad would say 'pooool'. Or poolee! Parents live in a Poole Court, which is a block of flats!

Scone? Scone as in 'stone' if you are not posh and 'skon' if you are!

And how about the Yank who asked me once on the Underground if the train ran to 'Lie-sester Square'?

 

[Schnellzug]

And how about the Yank who asked me once on the Underground if the train ran to 'Lie-sester Square'?

And Lie-sester is not far from Lowberow, of course.
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And then not far from me there's Poxwell, pronounced, of course, 'Po'c'sle' like on a ship.

 

[Ivo]

As Loughborough shows, the spelling "-ough" is a nightmare. I have heard stories of people being afraid to say "Slough" for fear of being wrong!

Brough
Slough
Loughborough

That's four different pronunciations for it. Supposedly there are eight.

 

[martin2345uk]

Through is another one! And though is another!

 

[Ivo]

Thought/Fought make it seven...
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Apparently there are nine, all of which are present in the following sentence:

A rough-coated, dough-faced, thoughtful ploughman strode through the streets of Scarborough; after falling into a slough, he coughed and hiccoughed.

[from http://www.fun-with-english.co.uk/2005/03/importance-of-correct-pronunciation.html]

 

[Class172]

Scone? Scone as in 'stone' if you are not posh and 'skon' if you are!

It seems to be the other way round in my area. hock:

 

[Schnellzug]

What about Scone as in the famous Stone? That's Scoon, isn't it.


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Going back, indirectly, to the subject of Vehicle manufacturers' names, who can say what the following selection of initials from the world of transport stand for, then?
* AEC;
* MAN;
* DAF;
* ERF ?

 

[90019]

* AEC;

Associated Equipment Company.

* ERF ?

Edwin Richard Foden.

 

[Eagle]

On a similar note, what about other places names such as Poole: do you say P-OO-le or 'Paul'?

How the hell do you get Poole to be pronounced "paul"? It's pronounced exactly as it's spelled. "pool". I don't think I've ever seen anyone confused by it.

Or even Scone: is it sc-OH-nn or sc-ON?

If you're talking about the village in Perthshire it's "skoon".

The cake (take this from a Westcountryman) is "skon". "skoan" is an American pronunciation.

 

[Zamracene749]

The uk bus that used to cause most confusion was of course the Atlantean- the last 4 letters often rhyming with 'teen'. I'm stiil not sure!

From abroad, there is of course jonckheere ( yonk-err? ) and sunsundegui.....

 

[Eagle]

The uk bus that used to cause most confusion was of course the Atlantean- the last 4 letters often rhyming with 'teen'. I'm stiil not sure!

From abroad, there is of course jonckheere ( yonk-err? ) and sunsundegui.....

"at-LAN-tee-an". "YONK-hair-uh". "soon-soon-DAY-gwee".

 

[Ivo]

How the hell do you get Poole to be pronounced "paul"? It's pronounced exactly as it's spelled. "pool". I don't think I've ever seen anyone confused by it.

Simple answer: In the South-East there is almost no difference between "pool" and "paul" It depends on whether you want to pronounce Paul properly or not!

Yes, I know Class172 doesn't live in the South-East.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

It depends on whether you want to pronounce Paul properly or not!

As one with a vested interest in the name "Paul", how can such a small word lend itself to incorrect pronounciation ? Everyone that I can remember over these last 66 years has had no difficulty with it..:roll:

 

[BestWestern]

As one with a vested interest in the name "Paul", how can such a small word lend itself to incorrect pronounciation ? Everyone that I can remember over these last 66 years has had no difficulty with it..:roll:

I would have to agree that 'Paul' is not difficult for anybody who speaks fluent English! However, 'Poole' does present a challenge to some, mainly depending on how posh they are trying to be! If you travel on a Desiro heading down that way the lady who lives in the P.I.S will proudly announce the station as "P-oo-le" with an emphasis on the 'oo', wheras most of us commoners simply pronounce it the same as we would your name!

 

[Seacook]

Arriva was slightly confusing when it was first introduced. I pronounced it Arr -eye-va (like arrival without the last letter), as did Mickey Clarke on Wake Up To Money. I was working for a Cowie Group company at the time it was renamed and no "official" pronunciation was mentioned - we had only written information.

It was only later that we found out it was supposed to be Arr-ee-va, which led to lots of Speedy Gonzales imitations; that was an improvement over the former assumption that it was a Mickey Mouse operation.

 

[WestCoast]

Simple answer: In the South-East there is almost no difference between "pool" and "paul" It depends on whether you want to pronounce Paul properly or not!

Good point. In Northern England and the Midlands, Poole would probably be more like Puel (as in Liverpool, Blackpool e.t.c), which sounds nothing like Paul and that's probably causing confusion here!

Not sure how it would be said with a West Country accent!

 

[Ivo]

The main problem with Paul is the "L" sound at the end. If a person from the South-East said it with the sound at the end, which some do, then said person would not show any obvious difference between the two.

I do - but I say "Pooooooooooooooooool" for Poole and "Pool" for Paul. A clear difference. By contrast, my mother would probably say them the same way. Similarly, I will give a slight hint of the "puel" sound, whereas most in the Home Counties wouldn't even know how to say that.

Obviously I'm exaggerating, but the difference is there.
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Arriva was slightly confusing when it was first introduced. I pronounced it Arr -eye-va (like arrival without the last letter), as did Mickey Clarke on Wake Up To Money. I was working for a Cowie Group company at the time it was renamed and no "official" pronunciation was mentioned - we had only written information.

It was only later that we found out it was supposed to be Arr-ee-va, which led to lots of Speedy Gonzales imitations; that was an improvement over the former assumption that it was a Mickey Mouse operation.

You're not the only one.

 

[Schnellzug]

The main problem with Paul is the "L" sound at the end. If a person from the South-East said it with the sound at the end, which some do, then said person would not show any obvious difference between the two.

I do - but I say "Pooooooooooooooooool" for Poole and "Pool" for Paul. A clear difference. By contrast, my mother would probably say them the same way. Similarly, I will give a slight hint of the "puel" sound, whereas most in the Home Counties wouldn't even know how to say that..

You ought to do the automated announcements for SWT. I'd like to hear "The next station is.... Poooooooooooooooooole."

 

[Ivo]

You ought to do the automated announcements for SWT. I'd like to hear "The next station is.... Poooooooooooooooooole."

Welcome aboard this South West Trains service to London Waterloooooooooooo. Calling at Upwey, Dorchester South, Moreton, Wooooooooooool, Wareham, Holton Heath, Hamworthy, Pooooooooooole, Parkstone, Branksome, Bournemouth...

...Southampton Central, Southampton Airport Parkway, Winchester and London Waterloooooooooooooo.

(Based on the first SWT service from Weymouth of the day, the 0550 departure.)

 

[Eagle]

Not sure how it would be said with a West Country accent!

Same as everyone else; but Paul would be "pol". (Or "pahl" if they were from Devon or Cornwall.)

 

[gordonthemoron]

depends which country you're in. In the UK I'd say opt-air

 

[dzug2]

Gosh - 4 pages. I didn't mean to start an argument....

 

[185]

Silly thread.

I'm off now to drive my Leyland Oompaloompyan.

(Mind you, you need to be an oompa loompa to fit in the cab and not bang yer head)

 

[BestWestern]

Silly thread.

I'm off now to drive my Leyland Oompaloompyan.

(Mind you, you need to be an oompa loompa to fit in the cab and not bang yer head)

I'll give you a wave from the back cab of my Sprin'errr (when in Great Western land) or Sprin'aa (when on 'Suvvern territory)

 

[185]

I'll give you a wave from the back cab of my Sprin'errr (when in Great Western land) or Sprin'aa (when on 'Suvvern territory)

Or an "Oh cr**, well.... at least it ain't a 142" - in the north