A disgrace

[valenta]

Stumbled across this video on You Tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvT06NfBT98
How people have the audacity first to do this act and then to post videos of it, disgusts me. Unfortunately that video was only one of a host of videos advertising graffiti. I can't think of many things that annoy me more than seeing graffiti stamped across so many trains, seemingly just as a rebellious statement.
Rant over.

 

[WestCoast]

Stumbled across this video on You Tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvT06NfBT98
How people have the audacity first to do this act and then to post videos of it, disgusts me. Unfortunately that video was only one of a host of videos advertising graffiti. I can't think of many things that annoy me more than seeing graffiti stamped across so many trains, seemingly just as a rebellious statement.
Rant over.

There are so many different videos of this on YouTube - I saw one which involved a train in the Netherlands stopping at an unstaffed station where the graffiti artists vandals literally sprayed the whole train and it was in-service! It's really bad! :roll:

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Before it closed, for conversion to the National Football Mueum, the Urbis Centre in Manchester had a large exhibition of photographs of graffiti from all over the world.

It was granted permission to do this as it had been classed as Urban Art.

 

[valenta]

Before it closed, for conversion to the National Football Mueum, the Urbis Centre in Manchester had a large exhibition of photographs of graffiti from all over the world.

It was granted permission to do this as it had been classed as Urban Art.

Yes, graffiti is sometimes meant for a purpose, and though I wouldn't wish to see it myself, I do not have a problem with it unless it is encouraging others to do graffiti.
However most graffiti is, unfortunately, used just to vandalise.

 

[HugePilchard]

I have seen some instances where local councils have provided walls specifically for the local 'artists' to use (OK, some of them are actually quite good if you like that sort of thing... others not so much). Of course, that won't completely stop the little cherubs who want a bigger audience/the thrill of the chase/whatever, but it's a start.

I was wondering... what's the cost to the operator of this sort of thing? Can it be removed from the stock without repainting, or do they have to withdraw it from service for a period to repaint?

 

[Nym]

Depends on how they painted them...

Most paints nowerdays are anti-vandal ones that you can clean with solvent to remove the grafiti, this is in wide use on LUL but doesn't work too well on metal surfaces, only on the paint it'self.

If it's not anti-vandal paint, and it's hard setting spray paint, it's bloddy hard to take off. And costs an absolute fortune.

I've heard 30k banded around before.

 

[185]

graffiti artists? ... vandals?




Flipp*** idiots methinks. I hope their next target is the overheads.

 

[WestCoast]

There's an interesting YouTube clip (LINK) about how LU tackles Graffiti. The comments on the video seem in favour of the criminals.

The vast majority of graffiti is just ugly tags, which makes anything look horrible. With some notable exceptions, in my opinion, most of the so called "artistic" graffiti is also just unsightly scrawls, which passes for "art".

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I hope that my earlier posting about the exhibition at the Urbis building did NOT make readers of this thread think that mean that I see any benefit in graffiti:cry:.

My visit there was to express my feeling of revulsion at this form of vandalism, which I did to the organiser of the exhibition.

 

[SS4]

Graffiti "Artists" only pretend what they do is art so they don't get collared.

I'd like to see 2x50cal mounted on the front of the train

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Not so very long ago, there was a television advertisment showing two youths tresspassing on railway property with the intent of spraying graffiti on rolling stock, which ended with the death of one of them,

A series of these, graphic in detail, should be made and shown in all schools at assembly time.

 

[valenta]

Not so very long ago, there was a television advertisment showing two youths tresspassing on railway proprty with the intent of spraying graffiti on rolling stock, which ended with the death of one of them,

A series of these, graphic in detail, should be made and shown in all schools at assembly time.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Prodigy]

Now I am a big fan of SOME graffiti, if it's in okay places and doesn't ruin certain architecture ect. However train graffiti looks shockingly trashy not to mention that it risks peoples lives. The only time where I could see it working is on a urban service on a one off train with local youths being kept off the streets. But then again that might work against them.

 

[SS4]

Now I am a big fan of SOME graffiti, if it's in okay places and doesn't ruin certain architecture ect. However train graffiti looks shockingly trashy not to mention that it risks peoples lives. The only time where I could see it working is on a urban service on a one off train with local youths being kept off the streets. But then again that might work against them.

The connotations are graffiti are often a lot worse than the "work" itself. People tend to feel much less safe and less comfortable on a train with graffiti on, especially if it is running through an undesirable area.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The connotations are graffiti are often a lot worse than the "work" itself. People tend to feel much less safe and less comfortable on a train with graffiti on, especially if it is running through an undesirable area.

It is as if this was still a society back in Mesolithic times, with images painted on surfaces to warn off other tribes when entering their territory. Even parts of the new Metrolink infrastructure still under construction have been targeted, from reports that I have seen on Skyscraper City.

 

[NSEFAN]

It is as if this was still a society back in Mesolithic times, with images painted on surfaces to warn off other tribes when entering their territory.

Isn't that how gangs work? Keep off of "their" land or else... :roll:

 

[SS4]

It is as if this was still a society back in Mesolithic times, with images painted on surfaces to warn off other tribes when entering their territory. Even parts of the new Metrolink infrastructure still under construction have been targeted, from reports that I have seen on Skyscraper City.

Smelling some places I'd expect cats have marked their territory there!

 

[BestWestern]

It's high time that mediums such as YouTube were required to remove videos depicting - and thus glorifying - criminal activity like this. In the case of graffitti it simply breeds the problem by allowing these inadequate morons to spread their territory-marking to a wider audience. Train operators need to be more proactive in removing it as a matter of urgency, which is the most effective way of stopping the problem. Turning up at their homes and throwing industrial tins of Crown emulsion over everything might also help to demonstrate other peoples' perspectives of their efforts.

 

[NSEFAN]

It's high time that mediums such as YouTube were required to remove videos depicting - and thus glorifying - criminal activity like this. In the case of graffitti it simply breeds the problem by allowing these inadequate morons to spread their territory-marking to a wider audience. Train operators need to be more proactive in removing it as a matter of urgency, which is the most effective way of stopping the problem. Turning up at their homes and throwing industrial tins of Crown emulsion over everything might also help to demonstrate other peoples' perspectives of their efforts.

I don't think youtube and such be blamed for the content from its users. Hitting harder on these 'artists' themselves would be better than trying to penalise the internet. I do agree that tags should be removed faster though, as it would at least demonstrate their futility!

As for throwing paint all over their houses, given the state of some places it might actually be an improvement!

 

[HST Power]

IAs for throwing paint all over their houses, given the state of some places it might actually be an improvement!

As far as 'certain' towns go I agree. I won't start naming them now, but if one particular user happens to see this thread he will know just what I mean when I say the key one begins with an S.....

Isn't that how gangs work? Keep off of "their" land or else... :roll:

That's gang culture for you.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Graffiti "Artists" only pretend what they do is art so they don't get collared

The only person that art (and its quality) of any such medium is done by BANKSY and is of a very high standard. He keeps an extremely low profile.

"Graffiti" as such has no artistic pretensions whatsoever and is done by young people with a personal feeling of lack of self worth, who then try to conceal it by making such external suppositions to project an image which portrays them as something that they are not.

 

[BestWestern]

The only person that art (and its quality) of any such medium is done by BANKSY and is of a very high standard. He keeps an extremely low profile.

"Graffiti" as such has no artistic pretensions whatsoever and is done by young people with a personal feeling of lack of self worth, who then try to conceal it by making such external suppositions to project an image which portrays them as something that they are not.

Unfortunately, 'BANKSY' is also nothing more than a vandal who defaces other people's property and therefore commits criminal offences with his so-called 'work'. To berate the everyday low-level scumbags who do this and then suggest that this guy's efforts are above condemnation is a little hypocritical, particularly as he is a big part of the increasing attempts we see now to glorify and legitimise graffiti. I was mildly amused to read of the recent defacing of one of his masterpieces by vandals - how ironic!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Unfortunately, 'BANKSY' is also nothing more than a vandal who defaces other people's property and therefore commits criminal offences with his so-called 'work'.

I was mildly amused to read of the recent defacing of one of his masterpieces by vandals - how ironic!

I thought that my mention of "BANKSY" might evoke a response, as the wording of the first part of my last posting was taken from the wording on the front cover of the programme for the exhibition of Urban Art held at the Urbis Centre in Manchester, just before it was closed in readiness for conversion to the National Football Museum.

If you look at posting #9 on this thread, you will find that I told the exhibition organizer of my revulsion of such graffiti. No, I do NOT condone this vandalism in any form whatsoever.

 

[HugePilchard]

There's an interesting YouTube clip (LINK) about how LU tackles Graffiti.

For some reason, this video just popped back into my head, and I decided to see what the chap who calls himself Tox was up to.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2011/jun/07/tox-graffiti-artist-criminal-damage

Maybe a custodial sentence is in the offing? At least he's behind bars until he's sentenced on July 1st, anyway. There's also talk of getting him to pay back any money he's made from selling his "art".

 

[HST Power]

There's also talk of getting him to pay back any money he's made from selling his "art".

Rightfully so. There's no way he should profit from it. It should be returned to the community, or at least a company tasked with clearing up the mess.

 

[BestWestern]

For some reason, this video just popped back into my head, and I decided to see what the chap who calls himself Tox was up to.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2011/jun/07/tox-graffiti-artist-criminal-damage

Maybe a custodial sentence is in the offing? At least he's behind bars until he's sentenced on July 1st, anyway. There's also talk of getting him to pay back any money he's made from selling his "art".

I find it very disturbing that even in a Court of Law, it seems that there is debate over whether the defendant had 'turned professional'. I find it even more disturbing that there is apparently a 'graffiti magazine' available to these brainless idiots. Graffiti is not, and never, ever will be, a form of art. To consider it such merely shows a lack of understanding of the skills of a true artist, most of whom do not feel any need to run around with a backpack full of spray cans defacing things that don't belong to them. Again, I would add that the man who likes to be called 'Banksy' is no better than any hoodie-wearning 'yoof' dawbing unintelligible rubbish on things to build their ego. A real artist doesn't need to force an 'audience' by defacing public areas, instead gaining a willing following because their work actually has merit.

Lock 'em up for a few months, then given them six months of long, dirty days scrubbing graffiti from walls and suchlike. Start with 'Banksy' :roll: