1972TS Refurbishment Progression

[RacsoMoquette]

Hi all, I created this thread for information regarding when the first fully refurbished 1972TS will enter service complete with Dot Matrix displays, Wheelchair Bays and LED lighting? as quite a few of the fleet have gained new RVAR compliant door grabrails, LED lighting and some have wheelchair bays, but none have had the new Adrian Heiett DVA and dot matrix displays as of November 2023.

 

[RacsoMoquette]

It is now April 2024, and I have still not heard a peep from anybody From TFL or externally regarding when the first fully refurbished train of 1972TS will enter service? Surely the wait is almost over? Units with Wheelchair bay and door grabrail RVAR modifications re-entered service in December 2022, and since then, a constant stream of units with LED lighting have trickled in to service. However without PIS displays, if anyone could relay any information to update if this program has been delayed, or still in due course? I saw a Youtube Video of a Referbished 1972TS complete with new PIS system along with the mentioned mods, however I watched that video in Nov/Dec 2023? I wonder what is going on with said unit currently?

 

[xtmw]

Work has started on this. Some trains have been fitted with LED lighting as you said, this includes the addition of wheelchair bays and additional grappoles. This is expected to be completed by mid-2025.
Work will then begin to improve the DVA system (which includes the addition of dot matrix displays). This includes more manual messages available to the driver. They plan to fit at least 3/4 of the fleet by mid-2026. I was last told this information at new year so it might have changed. I note there is already a thread on this though.

Is Adrian H the man who is used on the CLIP train ?

 

[Nym]

Last I knew the new DVA on 1972TS is just a 1992TS DTS “lite” mode.

 

[RacsoMoquette]

Yes! Adrian Heiett is also used on the CLIPED 1992TS

 

[ballas]

Yes! Adrian Heiett is also used on the CLIPED 1992TS

Temporarily, for testing.

 

[xtmw]

If I had a penny for everytime the DVA was changed on the 92s I'd be a rich man

 

[kacper]

Temporarily, for testing.

Supposedly here to stay now

 

[ballas]

Supposedly here to stay now

Have you got a source for this? As TfL have confirmed this is not the case

 

[kacper]

Have you got a source for this? As TfL have confirmed this is not the case

"Supposedly"

 

[ballas]

"Supposedly"

Let me break it down for you - supposed = according to what is or was said, claimed, or believed by some.

Therefore my question is who are the 'some' you are basing your comment on (aka your source...). Or is it just a random statement with no basis?

 

[rebmcr]

Let me break it down for you - supposed = according to what is or was said, claimed, or believed by some.

Therefore my question is who are the 'some' you are basing your comment on (aka your source...). Or is it just a random statement with no basis?

Sorry @kacper but I must agree with ballas here, your post has absolutely no credibility unless you provide a bit more explanation.

 

[RacsoMoquette]

Exactly how many units of 1972TS are in service with new RVAR wheelchair bays and door grabrails? It seems as though the majority of the fleet now have LED lighting, and far less units have many luminaires inactive per carriage. In a District Dave forum a few years ago, the was a program to fit LED headlights to the units, though ultimately only one set received the modification and subsequently not fitted to the rest of the fleet.

Also does the unit with LED displays and new announcements have electronic Dot Matrix external destination indicators? As the current roller blinds are often not bothered to be set on both ends, so you would have had the trains actuel destination at the front, but it’s previous on on the rear, which does become rather confusing for the unfamiliar!

 

[Dstock7080]

Also does the unit with LED displays and new announcements have electronic Dot Matrix external destination indicators? As the current roller blinds are often not bothered to be set on both ends, so you would have had the trains actuel destination at the front, but it’s previous on on the rear, which does become rather confusing for the unfamiliar!

They will not have external LED displays and retain roller blinds in cabs.

 

[announcements]

If I had a penny for everytime the DVA was changed on the 92s I'd be a rich man

It was Janet Mayo 1992-2003. Then Emma Clarke. There's only been three minor updates since:
1) some Emma re-records to replace Docklands Light Railway with DLR
2) Sarah Parnell added to update messages for TfL Rail / Liz Line and the "Exit here for" - and re-record of Bank so that "Waterloo & City" sounds like one line rather than separate.
3) A couple of Adrien manual messages added e.g. Train being held at red signal

 

[starlight73]

Exactly how many units of 1972TS are in service with new RVAR wheelchair bays and door grabrails? It seems as though the majority of the fleet now have LED lighting

We achieved 100 per cent LED conversion on the fleet in April 2024. Ten trains are also fitted with wheelchair bays and the new passenger information system passed live testing on the line.

Source: Page 53 of the Programmes & Investment committee report for Dec 23 to Mar 24. Wikipedia says there’s a total of 36 1972 stock in service so that makes about 28% of the fleet with wheelchair bays

On the same page, TfL say they are requesting RVAR exemption for Bakerloo line trains until 2029.

 

[Thirteen]

With new people at the DfT, we have to assume the RVAR exemption may be granted for the 1972 stock otherwise the line would have to close for a few years until new trains come in.