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[MarkyT]

However in that particular instance it is excessive duplication of Crossrail which will serve Whitechapel (LO connections such as Shoreditch) and Liverpool Street.

The Blackfriars idea is arguably the most sensible: rapid connectivity to Blackfriars gets you connections then to Gatwick and Luton airports as well as swathes of the South East.

I would guess that a Blackfriars route would be more difficult to build. A better covered pedestrian connection between the eastern side of Euston and St Pancras low level could provide easy Thameslink (and International) connections from HS2, and the Circle/H&C can provide connections with Thameslink via Farringdon and the planned new subway under the road to the east end of Euston Square station.

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

I would guess that a Blackfriars route would be more difficult to build. A better covered pedestrian connection between the eastern side of Euston and St Pancras low level could provide easy Thameslink (and International) connections from HS2, and the Circle/H&C can provide connections with Thameslink via Farringdon and the planned new subway under the road to the east end of Euston Square station.

Going Via Shoreditch could face it being a duplicate of Elizabeth Line. Via Blackfriars could provide a better interchange. Will it go and join the mainline out of Euston. Is it just going from Euston to Canary Wharf or will it join somewhere else and become a Through Route.

 

[MarkyT]

Going Via Shoreditch could face it being a duplicate of Elizabeth Line. Via Blackfriars could provide a better interchange. Will it go and join the mainline out of Euston. Is it just going from Euston to Canary Wharf or will it join somewhere else and become a Through Route.

It would have the element of duplication whichever way it crossed or skirted the city. I like the Shoreditch idea because it could catalyse a new north entrance at Liverpool Street which in turn could also allow a much improved pedestrian route for GE passengers to transfer to LO's ELR services at Shoreditch High St.

 

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Going Via Shoreditch could face it being a duplicate of Elizabeth Line. Via Blackfriars could provide a better interchange. Will it go and join the mainline out of Euston. Is it just going from Euston to Canary Wharf or will it join somewhere else and become a Through Route.

Purely because it’s me, I’d ‘hand over’ the Queens Park - Watford Junction DC line section to LO operation in its entirety and re-model Queens Park to remove the sheds and such; allowing two through Bakerloo platforms and all services to continue to Willesden Jn, Stonebridge, Harrow and Watford (number of trains to each dependent on the demand).

I’d then have two terminating platforms for this new line to run back to Kilburn High Road and South Hampstead and thence when it emerges at Camden Jn just continue in new tunnel to Euston, Blackfriars and Canary Wharf so that Euston ‘Mainline’ (and HS2) isn’t clogged up by little 378s.

 

[Bald Rick]

Purely because it’s me, I’d ‘hand over’ the Queens Park - Watford Junction DC line section to LO operation in its entirety and re-model Queens Park to remove the sheds and such; allowing two through Bakerloo platforms and all services to continue to Willesden Jn, Stonebridge, Harrow and Watford (number of trains to each dependent on the demand).

I’d then have two terminating platforms for this new line to run back to Kilburn High Road and South Hampstead and thence when it emerges at Camden Jn just continue in new tunnel to Euston, Blackfriars and Canary Wharf so that Euston ‘Mainline’ (and HS2) isn’t clogged up by little 378s.

Can’t build a new tunnel heading south at Camden. Geography doesn’t allow.

 

[4-SUB 4732]

Can’t build a new tunnel heading south at Camden. Geography doesn’t allow.

Nothing at all? Crikey...

 

[sprunt]

Ianvists thinks the proposal is a DLR extension from Bank to Euston with Canary Wharf Group as the sponsors. Apparently they mentioned it in a letter to Southwark Council objecting to a planning application there, but there's no link to the letter.

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

Ianvists thinks the proposal is a DLR extension from Bank to Euston with Canary Wharf Group as the sponsors. Apparently they mentioned it in a letter to Southwark Council objecting to a planning application there, but there's no link to the letter.

I have got to admit that a DLR extension would make a lot of sense as it would have more potential service options as well as providing a relief for the Northern Line.

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

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[Jorge Da Silva]

https://www.citymetric.com/transpor...options-euston-canary-wharf-express-tube-4580

There is ‘previous’ for a Canary-Euston link. The Waterloo-Canary express tube – really a ‘Drain’ [like the Waterloo & City line] to Canary, rather than to the City – was transmogrified into the Jubilee Line extension, and ended up being largely funded by others.

However, this time think of the original Waterloo-Canary-Greenwich Peninsula limited stop express tube scheme, and realign so it is Euston-Canary limited stop express tube. I’ve noted the interest of the London Borough of Southwark, and also the distance – 8.5km – stated in New Civil Engineer.

From South Dock to the far side of ‘New’ Euston in a straight line is 9.25 km (5.75 miles).

From fully alongside Crossrail North Dock station to the far side of ‘New’ Euston is 8.95 km (5.55 miles).

From fully alongside Crossrail North Dock to a double-ended Euston-St Pancras (under the Euston Road in this instance) is 8.75 km (5.42 miles).

From a shorter North Dock station to a double-ended Euston-St Pancras is 8.5 km (5.28 miles).

That could serve all Euston trains, Thameslink, St Pancras and all Kings Cross trains.

What’s the journey time at 50-60 mph average speed? About 10 minutes if no intermediate stops. However, Old Street or Spitalfields might be very interesting as new connectivity and new sources of local travel, at the cost of a longer overall journey time.

But an 8.5km scheme could run from the South Dock to a station terminating at Euston from the SE – passing close to or under Farringdon, and under the City.

So there are several interpretative options, depending on whether or not there might be intermediate stops and precisely where those might be (and how you might route it to avoid tall City buildings). Some options:



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Definitely a scheme to watch.

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For me it would be Euston - Holborn - Blackfriars - Canary Wharf. No other stations.

Sectional running times of Euston - Holborn 90 seconds, Holborn - Blackfriars 75 seconds, Blackfriars - Canary Wharf 6 minutes. 45 second dwell at the two intermediate stations for a total journey time of around 10.25 minutes.