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You probably can confirm this small detail - Can it be introduced without a signaller in the loop - eg. power failure, equipment failure or evacuation at signalbox? Thanks

Thanks for that. The last part really highlights how vulnerable the system is to unplanned shutdown/failure. I'm not so sure these ROCs are a great idea. All seems a bit eggs in one basket...backed up with a prayer.

Can anyone expand on Option B? - After all points are secured, the location of all trains identified and lots on staff on hand - how is the movement of trapped trains managed? Does this have a name or is there a rule book module covering this? Lots of temporary block working sections between...

Thanks Sunset route. That post was absolute gold. [emoji122] [emoji122] Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

:D What I was actually hoping for was a run through of how the pen and paper method actually works when the panels are down and the signaller cannot "see" the trains the location of the trains under his control. Hoping the signaller who experienced it will see and be kind enough to share.

I'm curious to know how the pen and paper solution works and how that could be implemented if a modern signal box went down.

Thanks, that's very helpful. Point 1 alone kills the whole idea. The rest just ensure that coffin is secure. Back to the drawing board.... Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

So my trains are still stuck in the middle of nowhere :D and from the discussion it seems technical hurdles prevent transfer of control to another signal box. The closest to an answer seems to be Temporary Block Working but I'm a bit unsure so maybe someone could help clarify the following...

Wow...that was very educational...thank you!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

That's the get out of jail card right there!

My mistake. I should have clarified that I meant that in the context of IECC and ROC type signal boxes which are never closed and can be located very far away. Actually, would a power failure or fire classify as a signal box as being closed?

Yup, I believe you're a driver..."sod them...not my problem":D I'm sure after 6hrs sitting in the middle of nowhere, with pass comms going off, you'll be more open to other solutions.:lol: What I'm trying to figure out is what this help would be able to do with a signalbox out of action.

Hmmm...good one. Food for thought. Would it would be feasible though if there is a high number of stranded trains along affected route since temporary block working still requires one train in the block at any one time. Would this not mean a new TBW section (and associated paperwork plus...

That's my understanding too. Driver's used to be able to pass automatic signals at danger under own authority under certain circumstances but, as far as I know, no signal can be passed at danger without authority anymore. Module S5 seems to confirm this.

Hello all I need to pick your brains with this theortical scenerio. If any real life references exist, rule book modules or RSSB documents exit that would be amazing. Imagine an IECC or ROC type signalbox - i.e whole route is controlled from one location - suffers a catastrophic system...

True, though the way I read his post I took it as First USA were the ones who blocked the move which had been approved by First UK - the reason which I am curious about. I don't think US immigration had anything to do with it. I might be wrong though....

Interesting thread as it is something I am also wondering about. White shadow, what reason were you given for the refusal by the US side of First Group? I am also a qualified driver and am considering if emigrating to the USA is a possibility job-wise or would my skills be worthless and I'd have...

I actually agree with you in that experience is more valuable than a certficate. I dont think this is any different from any other sector. Where it gets blurred for me is what happens after one fains the experience. I will use your example to clarify. To become driver one goes through...

Thanks Metroland. I do not feel discouraged at all. I appreciate everyone's input as they have taken the time to contribute to this discussion which I feel is important as I am gaining an understanding of the nature and limitations of a railway career. I feel this discussion will be helpful to...