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BR Intercity late 80s by a mile!

For Aberdeen/Inverness service maybe. For a Scenic HST there are other possibilities.

High backed seats on the 158s not present on the Mk3

Electrification is definitely the way foward especially for the Oban section which is the gateway to the islands. An HST would make a great scenic train. Mk3 ride, good views along the coach, drop down windows for the Glenfinnan viaduct, no underfloor engines, buffet cars a plenty, lots of...

HST scenic version? Surely more appropriate and soon to be in surplus! --- old post above --- --- new post below --- A scenic 170 wih microbuffet would be more fitting however luggage space is still an issue unless you turned one of the FC areas into additional space.

Been on many a 158 thanks many many many times. The introduction of new seating isnt going to sell me on The basis of a scenic train.

Rebuilt 73s then?

Im sorry but even though I haven't traveled on a refurb 158 I still feel this is entirely the wrong way to go. I dont belive for one minute that this is making the most out of the line. When the Dutch got the franchise I had high hopes especially when they announced scenic trains and possible...

Ive made mention to appropriate DMU builds a few times.

First class/ standard class doesnt exits on ships without cabins. You are joking right? Most of their marketing material is based around attracting tourists lets not forget all new ships built within the last 10 years have been done so to provide panaoramic views at sea in the accommodation and...

If we dont try we'll never know will we.

True but they would make much more appropriate "scenic" DMUs that 158s given their layout however they rattle like hell! 68s could be used with DVTs. You would loose the split ability at Cairnlarich which many a poor tourist has fallen a foul of.

The line deserves better than what is being planned. Its a big tourist draw not only a rural service. Europe as with everything has us beat in this regard. ScotRail/SCottish government should be looking at what they have in Switzerland. If we're upgrading the sleepers then lets the scenic lines...

Funny I remember the 158s cough cough 'scuds' being notoriously unreliable. I was even on one or two that had to be rescued by smelly old 37s. I distinctly remember the 156s coming they were hated even back then. ScotRail got so much bad press they brought back the 37s and Mk2s at weekends aka...

Guess you dont travel the line much? Would you be happy after such a long period of stagnation to be greeted with yet another sprinter with "upgraded" seating? We shall see about the reliability on the WHL given the 158s notorious braking issues in cold conditions. --- old post above --- --- new...

Comfortable seating is a must! Proper amounts of luggage space (the number of times I've seen people trying to stow golf clubs in the over head rack is nuts) Buffet area along the lines of the Ex Hull trains 170 ScotRail had a while back but never used. 1st class seats even limited amounts, and...

Honestly Neil no I haven't but are you telling me a 158 is more suitable for 3hrs and above journeys than a Mallard Mk4? I've seen the coach layouts of the "scenic" 158 Í'm not impressed in the slightest to be honest.

A car? Thanks for suggestion Dr Beeching :wink: I don't live in the Highlands actually but I would gladly pay extra for a bit of comfort on a long journey which is ultimately an Intercity one! --- old post above --- --- new post below --- No... more like sick to death of stagnant...

So its not worth subsiding then as we do with many methods of transport in this country? then lets not forget Cal Macs operating costs which i'm sure far exceed the lines budget? A 158 on the E&G I can handle, on a WHL journey no thanks! Missing the point on the whole point of a tourist line...

Scenic 158s? Is this a joke? This is the best they could come up with for one of the worlds most scenic lines? STILL no 1st class accommodation or luggage space! Its a disgrace. The 37s/LCHS should NEVER have been removed from the lines in preparation for privatisation. After 25 almost 30...