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Clearing up Waste material after Maintenance and Renewals

Nicholas Lewis

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In which case why can’t the contract include removing surplus materials and leaving the site tidy, with suitable sanctions if they fail to comply.
Track renewals contracts specify recovery of all scrap material and that includes all rail offcuts. The rub though is its only over the section of the renewal. Also we would have to pay them extra to get any residual scrap in the cess or the four foot removed if maintenance couldn't do it.
 
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Farang

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Not crash barrier, and not a motorway, but on three occasions in the last three years utility contractors have left signage and road closure kit on my road after completing their jobs. The first two times I found a number to call for them to retrieve it. The third time I just took it all to the tip.
They left some in our garden!
 

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Preventing engineering handback will obviously delay the entire possession handback live for the operational railway.
I was referring to the handback of the project under PACE. I could have wrote that better to be fair.

Upon completion of the work, a representative of the maintenance organisation will inspect the work for any snags or defects. This will include scrap. These inspections are often completed a later date. Under the AMP process and PACE, the site still remains the responsibility of the contractor until the maintainer agrees there are no snags or defects.

I think there has historically been a bad attitude to scrap removal, especially of ‘smalls’ like clips and pads. In a lot of areas now, the maintainer will not sign they are happy with the work until all scrap is removed.

There are many ways to allow for scrap removal which aren’t within the posession. Including a further ‘scrapping out’ shift or positioning scrap where it can be collected without going on track, like at access points.
 

mmh

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Those ballast bags are new ballast for use in maintenance. They will have been there for years, but they will get used at some point.
Codswallop. They'll remain there until the ballast they're sat on needs to be moved.
 

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Absolutely, of having proper standards and ensuring they're adhered to.

I still don't accept that it's simply pragmatism led by cost and time considerations. There'll be next to no examples of it elsewhere in the civil engineering world, but it's the accepted status quo in the railway world. I expect it has been for decades, so I'm not saying this with any rose tinted specs.

When was the last time anyone saw discarded bits of crash barrier on a motorway verge after roadworks because it was quicker / cheaper than removing them? Motorway closures are also timed and overruns cause trouble - the railway is in no way unique on this.

Last week, M6 southbound near tebay
 

Wawanesa

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Somewhere along the line, the railways seem to have lost the ethos of a tidy work place when it comes to trackside maintenance. I worked in industry and, like thousands of other companies, we worked to the ISO 9001 quality standard. If we had left stuff lying around like you see on the railways, our external auditors would have gone berserk. Of course it takes time and effort to clear up after a job but you have to factor that in when working out costings and timings beforehand.
 

Straus

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Somewhere along the line, the railways seem to have lost the ethos of a tidy work place when it comes to trackside maintenance. I worked in industry and, like thousands of other companies, we worked to the ISO 9001 quality standard. If we had left stuff lying around like you see on the railways, our external auditors would have gone berserk. Of course it takes time and effort to clear up after a job but you have to factor that in when working out costings and timings beforehand.

Which industry? I've never worked in one as problematic for access as the railway.

With all the best planning in the world you can be scuppered by a late running train, a late isolation, mechanical issues with plant or other unforseen circumstances.

At that point, the priority is safety and then performance - removal of waste is lower down the pecking order unfortunately.

It's good to hear there's some correction of this through the amp process - in my opinion the amp process needs an overhaul to be more effective
 

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Somewhere along the line, the railways seem to have lost the ethos of a tidy work place when it comes to trackside maintenance. I worked in industry and, like thousands of other companies, we worked to the ISO 9001 quality standard. If we had left stuff lying around like you see on the railways, our external auditors would have gone berserk. Of course it takes time and effort to clear up after a job but you have to factor that in when working out costings and timings beforehand.
Surely ISO 9001 is a quality standard that requires an organisation to operate according to its own set and approved procedures. Unless there are defined in-house standards about the stowage of materials lineside, there isn't any case to answer - providing the practice doesn't represent a safety hazard.
 

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