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Southern English attitude to air con - curious to me

Cdd89

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Moving air is more tolerable than static air as it helps your body cool itself through sweating.
Obviously you can stay comfortable by closing the curtains, opening the windows, setting up fans, and sweating. But in the 21st century it shouldn't be a luxury to just have your property at the right (cool) temperature in your preferred surroundings.

It's like saying you can avoid using your heating by wearing jumpers and a wooly hat indoors, using infrared heaters, sitting around with a hot water bottle and buying thick winter duvets. It's a valid strategy but most people would only do that out of financial necessity.

The correct approach to both heating and cooling is to just fully climate control your property. Most people have heating and therefore people who can afford to do exactly that. But because they don't have cooling, even well-off people resort to the cooling techniques mentioned.
 
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Got ourselves a portable aircon last year and I simply don't do heat. Its in the bedroom and left on until we turn in for the night leaving the windows closed initially. We have a projector clock on the room and it has an outside sensor, once outside cools below inside the windows get opened. Once the sun is up and warmer out its windows/curtains closed and aircon on - rinse and repeat as required.

Only use it when outside gets to 28/30+ and/or the nights stay hot, below that a small fan does me OK

A cooler room does feel nice however !
 

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Back in September 2023 I stayed in the Village hotel in Dudley for 3 nights and only some of the rooms had air con (the newer ones) and I was very lucky to get one of those as the weather was very hot at the time!

I've stayed there before, I can't remember if I had air con or not but it surprises me that some of the rooms don't from my recollection of it. Trick with Village Hotels anyway (like almost all hotel chains) is sign up for their members scheme, I recall it's pretty generous for occasional users.
 

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I'm currently in a hotel in London and having a pleasant time since there's air con. When getting around the main change to my routine has been to use electric scooters where possible, rather than bikes, because I don't want to be dribbling with sweat. I'm ok. But I don't have to live here, I just have to head to an air conditioned office and various pubs for a few days.

I do not understand the locals that do. Only a few percent have air con.

Yes, this is unseasonably hot. But these temperatures aren't that unusual in Summer down here. And more to the point, they're only going to get worse with climate change.

For me, it's completely unreasonable to live like this without air con.

Why not get it? A portable unit that would cover a room is only a few hundred quid new. Can pick up a second hand for less than two hundred and weirdly I've once been given one for free just wandering along the street in Elstree.

Alternatively, you can do a whole house professionally with whisper quiet ones for less than the cost of a new kitchen.

But still people refrain.

For those who genuinely cannot afford it - well I understand that of course.

But that's not most of London, one of the richest cities in the world.

My best theory, and not to be all "hatey" about landlords particularly since they're getting a raw deal atm with the nonsense that is the RRA is that it's partly the landlords' fault. Many factors have meant that the vast majority of Londoners are renting and always in a somewhat temporary home. Clearly the tenant isn't going to install proper air con. The landlord isn't going to get any return on investment if they install proper air con because few tenants seem to care (but this is a bit circular - why don't they care?). And while the tenant could buy portable air con units (we did when we lived in Watford as tenants) they don't bother because the units are a bit unwieldy and if you're a tenant then it's highly likely you're trying to save as much as possible to save to give you some financial security (whether for a deposit or for a pension).

But it doesn't really matter whose fault it is in a way. It's the defeatism about it. Putting up with disturbed nights of sleep and difficulty in the day and so on with an easy solution is crazy to me.

Southerners - explain yourself! Is it that you don't actually mind this? Not my experience from speaking to people. So I can only conclude some sort of weird amnesia about what these temperatures are like.
It depends on your circumstances
We have a log cabin 4 by 5 meters which acts as a WFH and Games room and is quite heavy use
It used to have a 12000 btu portable cool/heat
Last year we installed a top of the range Mitsubishi split heat/cooling system
It cost £1700 all in and has 5 years warranty
The heating is phenomenal and used less than 120 units for January and February which is around £30
The biggest difference is that the split unit heats the cabin in about 10 mins and as it is app controlled I go into a nice warm office
The aircon is great in this weather
There has not been a single day when I said to my self I wish I had kept with a portable unit
 

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We have a portable air con unit for our daughter's room. We will likely invest in proper AC in the next few years. Never understood the aversion to it, beyond the obvious barrier of cost of course.
It'll be the best thing you ever do. We love ours. Plus, if you want heat in winter, it's loads cheaper than central heating.
 

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Never understood the aversion to it, beyond the obvious barrier of cost of course.

I think that is the aversion. That and perhaps space and properly installing in say a rental property.
 

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I think that is the aversion. That and perhaps space and properly installing in say a rental property.

That's basically what my theory is. The cost though is much less than people think - Lidl are literally doing a brand new Black and Decker Air Con unit atm for £150ish. So it's really the whole rental thing is my conclusion. Said units are cheap up front but not very capable and quite expensive to run. Proper installations are more up front but very capable and again less than a new kitchen - look at @jumble 's numbers. But we've a crazy housing environment at the moment where both landlords and tenants are getting absolutely stuffed so it's down to homeowners to install really. And they're not because they still perceive it as an extravagance when it really isn't. Or they "own" a leasehold flat where there's an associated pile of problems in installations. Part else of what inspired me with this was an American friend of mine who just stopped the air con being *taken out* of his UK flat instead of renewed (not leasehold but some other complicated arrangement where everyone has to agree; he was only hold out). Apparently six other flat owners in total. Half of whom landlords (obviously will choose the cruel n cheap option) and the other ones imo just not thinking things through.

Still I expect it to be a huge growth industry when people grudgingly catch up to the climate reality. If I were advising a youngster who was considering e.g. plumbing/sparky/brickie I'd definitely be advising them to consider becoming an HVAC engineer instead.
 

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Moving air is more tolerable than static air as it helps your body cool itself through sweating. That's why people saying to keep windows closed are talking nonsense (unless you have fans of course).
There are circumstances where it might be nonsense (the main one of those being that inside temperature equals or exceeds the outside) but an awful lot of circumstances where it is not.
 

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Still I expect it to be a huge growth industry when people grudgingly catch up to the climate reality. If I were advising a youngster who was considering e.g. plumbing/sparky/brickie I'd definitely be advising them to consider becoming an HVAC engineer instead.

Oh definitely when you consider the rise in heat pumps installations and anything to do with solar power too.
 

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I am not sure I would have enough space to store one when not in use. (I think they are probably too heavy to easily get in and out of the attic.) And just having one isn't enough; I can't reasonably confine myself to one room.
 

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However, new houses really ought to have heat pumps,
Make sure it's not a Vaillant one though. Dad spent thousands getting one installed. In the first two years it failed twice because slugs got in and fried the electronics. It's now failed again. Vaillant deny any responsibility, despite constructing a machine intended for outdoor use that common pests can easily get into. Safe to say I'll never buy anything from Vaillant.
 

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Just wondering about these heat pumps - no intension of getting one any time soon - but how much noise do they make? I own one half of a 1930's semi, and it's lovely and quiet out back over night, so one can have a small window open for a bit of fresh air to circulate, but if the neighbour had one of these things bolted to their rear wall, which is not far from my upper windows, would that likely disturb my sleep?
 

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Just wondering about these heat pumps - no intension of getting one any time soon - but how much noise do they make? I own one half of a 1930's semi, and it's lovely and quiet out back over night, so one can have a small window open for a bit of fresh air to circulate, but if the neighbour had one of these things bolted to their rear wall, which is not far from my upper windows, would that likely disturb my sleep?
We have a/c unit, MitsubishI, it's very quiet.
You can hear a small hum outside, but not very loud (not much louder than fridge), can't hear inside unit

Its more of an obvious hum if put system on boost (when first come in, for rapid cooling), but it switches back to normal after 5-10 mins)
 

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