Theres still one set operating on whatever LNW is called now. Having said that they're only good for track lowers if the underlying formation and subsoil is adequate as they can't install any sort of formation treatment. The Paisley Canal line had aggressive track lowers completed for the electrification project by the medium output cleaner (the HOBC's older cousin) and the ride quality along there is now suffering as the lowers removed the formation treatment between the former canal clay lining and the ballast with predictable results.
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Numerous Speed Restrictions / Delays Due to Defective Track on Southern Region
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Theres still one set operating on whatever LNW is called now. Having said that they're only good for track lowers if the underlying formation and subsoil is adequate as they can't install any sort of formation treatment. The Paisley Canal line had aggressive track lowers completed for the electrification project by the medium output cleaner (the HOBC's older cousin) and the ride quality along there is now suffering as the lowers removed the formation treatment between the former canal clay lining and the ballast with predictable results.
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There's a jolt on a bridge between Southease and Lewes that I've contacted GTR about at least twice over the last few years. One time so bad the conductor actually fell over - that's when I thought maybe it was getting a bit much - though maybe it's just due to the generally crap ride on Electrostars making it feel worse than it is.
C2C are in the same situation.
When you get two trains in quick succession from Eastbourne, especially during the peaks you can get a bit of congestion, as the 20mph bit is in one of the longest signal sections on that stretch, just outside of Berwick (Lewes side) to basically Glynde station.
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That seemed to get better after the scaffolding was on the bridge lately I thought, not sure if the work was related or not mind!
Chiltern 165
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They have no PWAY available yet they have people available with TSR signs? Is it MOMs putting it up?
RailwayRookie
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You'd be surprised how long it takes signs to go up after a rough ride. The initial response is a signaller imposed ESR, which means stopping and advising every train.
Then you can get into signed ESRs which need to be planned to account for varied braking distances, then after long enough the arrangements will be published and made into a TSR.
In more simple cases the night PWAY teams will come out, lift and pack ballast as appropriate and return the line to permissible speed the same night, sometimes they will set a reduced speed but be ready with the boards as part of their work. Its quite dynamic.
But to answer your question. It takes one person to board an ESR. It takes more than one to reset the track. But a MOM will carry both the signs and the competence to do it should they need to.
Chiltern 165
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I thought signallers have a facility to impose a general broadcast on every train once they pass a certain point? Do you know why that isn't used?
RailwayRookie
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In the instance of a signaller imposed restriction, it cannot be used.
It is only used to advise for missing/defective/obscured lineside equipment. And even then it has to be acknowledged by the driver before the signal is cleared so it isnt applicable to a lot of places.
You may be thinking of an advisory broadcast to remind drivers of a Blanket Speed restriction, but they aren't ever boarded and cover a much larger area but not for rail defects.
Bishopstone
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No direct services between Ore/Eastbourne and Victoria, between the peaks, from next Monday, for at least a month, with speed restrictions being given as the cause.
Looks like there will be an hourly shuttle between Eastbourne and Haywards Heath, to retain a service for Plumpton and Cooksbridge.
https://www.southernrailway.com/ser...696710000#INCCD74FB58F0444460AE15378DC6F89E98
Looks like there will be an hourly shuttle between Eastbourne and Haywards Heath, to retain a service for Plumpton and Cooksbridge.
https://www.southernrailway.com/ser...696710000#INCCD74FB58F0444460AE15378DC6F89E98
Mattplans
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Nearby, Southeastern's Hastings line has been badly hit.
One of the worst services I can see is 17:45 London Charing Cross to 19:29 Hastings which has only ran on time once since June.
A lot of services being cut short at London Bridge as a result.
Even without this dry spell, the Kent AM peak is easily disrupted in the "London area" by speed restrictions on the Chatham or Tonbridge routes causing them to delay the on-time services when they get to the Lewisham pinch point(s). I used to travel on a service to Cannon Street that was delayed by the same train every day from Broadstairs before I switched trains. Now my commute is delayed by a train from the Tonbridge side. : )
One of the worst services I can see is 17:45 London Charing Cross to 19:29 Hastings which has only ran on time once since June.
A lot of services being cut short at London Bridge as a result.
Even without this dry spell, the Kent AM peak is easily disrupted in the "London area" by speed restrictions on the Chatham or Tonbridge routes causing them to delay the on-time services when they get to the Lewisham pinch point(s). I used to travel on a service to Cannon Street that was delayed by the same train every day from Broadstairs before I switched trains. Now my commute is delayed by a train from the Tonbridge side. : )
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On the Uckfield Line it has got even worse. It was suggested the emergency timetable was going to be extended from 15th September to 8th October. However before they could tell the passengers am operational incident involving a set of points has meant a severe reduction in services and it’s now every other hour. The suggestion is that the crew fixing the track defects damaged the points but that’s only a rumour.
Now seems the current emergency emergency timetable will be in place until the 19th
Now seems the current emergency emergency timetable will be in place until the 19th
Having travelled the Eastbourne to London route for 20+ years I wasl well aware of the “Lewes Lurch” on the down line before Lewes.
I travelled for the first time since the derailment this week and was surprised that it was still there and also the general ride being not exactly smooth.
That is except for the new bit they have put in to repair the damage.
I travelled for the first time since the derailment this week and was surprised that it was still there and also the general ride being not exactly smooth.
That is except for the new bit they have put in to repair the damage.
Nicholas Lewis
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This line and the Arun Valley have always had poorer track quality compared to the Brighton Line (BML) for last 20 years in my experience as well.
They are of course branch lines and due to lower track tonnages are allocated a lower track categorisation compared to BML. This means they receive a reduced frequency of visual and measurement train inspections although line speed determines when intervention is required which is same band as BML. Also in the past access to tamping resource was reduced for lower category routes but not sure if thats still the policy. So along with this years earthworks issues im sure the local maintenance teams are being kept somewhat busy.
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To add to the confusion, Southern have written on the website that the 7:03 isn't running, but yesterday and today the service actually did run, for the first time in nearly 2 months.