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Union Jack-style Great British Railways branding at major Glasgow station angers Scottish government officials

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The article sounds like it's making a bit of mountain out of a molehill.

Union Jack-style Great British Railways branding at major Glasgow station angers Scottish government officials​


Sensitivities over the Union Jack-style rebranding of Britain’s rail network have been laid bare by Network Rail apologising to the chief executive of Transport Scotland after she “hit the roof” at seeing it displayed at a major Glasgow station run by Scottish government-owned ScotRail, The Scotsman has learned.

The red, white and blue livery of new UK government body, Great British Railways (GBR), is only supposed to be used in Scotland at Edinburgh Waverley and the main part of Glasgow Central station, which are run by Network Rail, and on cross-Border trains such as LNER and Avanti West Coast’s.

Under an agreement between the UK and Scottish governments, the branding will not be used on ScotRail and Caledonian Sleeper trains, which are controlled by Scottish ministers, or at other ScotRail stations, which will keep their “Scotland’s Railway” Saltire branding.

The brandings are to be used together on Network Rail vans and equipment funded by the Scottish government, while Transport Scotland has to be consulted over GBR branding at Waverley and Central.

However, during a one-week promotional display of the GBR branding at Glasgow Central in December, it was mistakenly also applied to the low level station, which is run by ScotRail.

Transport Scotland chief executive Alison Irvine is said to have been angered by the error, which led to Network Rail chief executive Jeremy Westlake phoning her to say sorry.

He also issued a “grovelling apology” to the Scottish government agency, according to a senior industry source with knowledge of the issue. Network Rail has disputed that.

A second industry source said: “Alison Irvine got off a train at Glasgow Central low level and hit the roof when she saw the branding. She was rather cross not to have been informed that it was being installed. The apology she received had ‘a bit of humility’.

“Bill Reeve [Transport Scotland’s director of rail reform] then made his views very clear to Network Rail over how sensitive it was.”

In a redacted email obtained by The Scotsman from a Freedom of Information (FoI) request, Mr Reeve told Ms Irvine: “I had a vet [very?] good discussion with Jeremy Westlake today who said [REDACTED] (about which he said he had been unaware).”

The first source said: “The redacted note mentions a Bill Reeve conversation with Jeremy and I know that was akin to a grovelling apology. Jeremy also then apologised directly to Alison over the phone on it.

“The [UK Government] Department for Transport (DfT) wanted to showcase new GBR branding and sent contractors out with decals for all of the major stations.

“What they forgot was that the low level at Glasgow Central is operated by ScotRail, not Network Rail, and is therefore a Scottish government station, not a UK government station.

“Once noticed, Network Rail quickly removed the branding. It’s indicative of inter-government tension that spills over into poor behaviours between DfT and Transport Scotland all too often.”

A redacted email obtained under FoI, DfT rail reform co-director Elisabeth Cuthbertson had told Mr Reeve: “I understand there’s been a mix-up by Network Rail’s contractor which meant that GBR promotional material was installed in error on the gateline at Glasgow Central low level.

“This isn’t what we or NR had intended - as this was commissioned as an installation just upstairs at the NR managed station for a week.

“We've asked NR to get the contractor in ASAP to get this corrected.”
 
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Thank goodness all the problems with Scotland's public transport system have been fixed so that Ms Irvine has time to concern herself with vital, vital issues like this.
 

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A key question is whether the thing being objected to is abiding by the terms of the MoU for Scotrail and GBR:
Where stations in Scotland are operated by GBR, currently Glasgow Central High Level and Edinburgh Waverley, Transport Scotland must be consulted with regards to station branding and signage to ensure that appropriate ScotRail and Scotland's Railway branding is sufficiently prominent, in particular to support passenger movements through the station, including accessibility. At those stations GBR must ensure the use of GBR advertising space in the station to advertise its services is sympathetic to other operators to ensure this does not inadvertently mislead or confuse passengers.

If it is, then the Scottish Govt is absolutely right to remind national bodies what has been agreed on devolved matters. If not, then it's performative politics of a really bad kind.
 

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I think the takeaway here is that the boss of Transport Scotland commutes through Central Low Level, which should bode well for other users!
 

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The article sounds like it's making a bit of mountain out of a molehill.

Union Jack-style Great British Railways branding at major Glasgow station angers Scottish government officials​



Pretty ridiculous that NR feel pressured into the need for a “grovelling apology”. Last time I checked Scotland was part of Great Britain. Not sure we as a union should be pandering to nationalists in this way, all the more so after the SNP have been found to be as corrupt as anyone else.
 

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Pretty ridiculous that NR feel pressured into the need for a “grovelling apology”. Last time I checked Scotland was part of Great Britain. Not sure we as a union should be pandering to nationalists in this way, all the more so after the SNP have been found to be as corrupt as anyone else.
NR got it wrong. End of.
 

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It's just petty and pathetic, really. Some branding was misapplied to the wrong gateline in a station. No customers have been materially affected and safety has not been compromised. This could have been solved by more mature behaviour from the TS big wigs.
 

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So, the very first time it was noticed that a contractor had turned up to a Scottish Government managed station and did work on that station that was not commissioned by the Scottish Government, was when the Transport Scotland chief executive walked through the concourse?

And all she was concerned with it seems, was obtaining an apology from the Network Rail chief executive? Do we even dare file an FOI request to see if anybody in Transport Scotland or the Scottish Government faced any kind of disciplinary action for this shocking failure to ensure a major Scottish station is secure.
 
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As is often the case the most interesting bit was buried at the bottom of the article:

A Network Rail spokesperson said: “GBR decals were installed at Glasgow Central in December for a short period to provide a glimpse of the new brand identity, as was the case in four other major stations in England.


“However, branding was also installed at the Glasgow Central low level station in error. Once this was identified, we acknowledged and apologised for the mistake and took steps to remove the branding straight away.

“Any future GBR branding changes on Network Rail sites across Scotland will be made in line with the agreed framework and introduced through normal asset renewal programmes.”

The body added: “Characterising an acknowledgement of this mistake as a 'grovelling apology' would be inaccurate. It was a straightforward acknowledgement of a contractor error and a proportionate response to correct it.”
 

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It sounds like the chief executive of Transport Scotland has a little too much time on her hands. I'm guessing all other transport issues in Scotland are resolved and running at 100% efficiency?
 

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ScotRail isn’t and won’t be part of GBR, so the boss of TS is right to raise it, and NR were right to apologise, although it does seem like it was a genuine mistake.

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Don’t see mass protests at Carlisle with the Scotrail units
Nothing like the same scenario.
 

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ScotRail isn’t and won’t be part of GBR, so the boss of TS is right to raise it, and NR were right to apologise, although it does seem like it was a genuine mistake.
As mentioned upthread, GBR branding will be present at Glasgow Central High Level under the Memorandum of Understanding signed by Transport Scotland, so at the very least the reaction has been completely over-the-top about having a couple of ticket gates with the national flag on them on the wrong platforms.

And this isn't the boss of TS 'raising' it - that was done internally and, by the report, quickly amended. This is giving briefings to the press to deliberately try and humiliate people for political point-scoring. Note the quotes around 'grovelling apology'.
 

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So, the very first time it was noticed that a contractor had turned up to a Scottish Government managed station and did work on that station that was not commissioned by the Scottish Government, was when the Transport Scotland chief executive walked through the concourse?

And all she was concerned with it seems, was obtaining an apology from the Network Rail chief executive? Do we even dare file an FOI request to see if anybody in Transport Scotland or the Scottish Government faced any kind of disciplinary action for this shocking failure to ensure a major Scottish station is secure.
The Scotsman already did an FoI and is in the article snippet I posted in the my initial post:

In a redacted email obtained by The Scotsman from a Freedom of Information (FoI) request, Mr Reeve told Ms Irvine: “I had a vet [very?] good discussion with Jeremy Westlake today who said [REDACTED] (about which he said he had been unaware).”

The first source said: “The redacted note mentions a Bill Reeve conversation with Jeremy and I know that was akin to a grovelling apology. Jeremy also then apologised directly to Alison over the phone on it.

“The [UK Government] Department for Transport (DfT) wanted to showcase new GBR branding and sent contractors out with decals for all of the major stations.

“What they forgot was that the low level at Glasgow Central is operated by ScotRail, not Network Rail, and is therefore a Scottish government station, not a UK government station.

“Once noticed, Network Rail quickly removed the branding. It’s indicative of inter-government tension that spills over into poor behaviours between DfT and Transport Scotland all too often.”

A redacted email obtained under FoI, DfT rail reform co-director Elisabeth Cuthbertson had told Mr Reeve: “I understand there’s been a mix-up by Network Rail’s contractor which meant that GBR promotional material was installed in error on the gateline at Glasgow Central low level.

“This isn’t what we or NR had intended - as this was commissioned as an installation just upstairs at the NR managed station for a week.

“We've asked NR to get the contractor in ASAP to get this corrected.”

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It sounds like the chief executive of Transport Scotland has a little too much time on her hands. I'm guessing all other transport issues in Scotland are resolved and running at 100% efficiency?
Well, she might may no longer be CEO of Transport Scotland for too much longer if John Swinney gets his way and it is abolished!

Transport Scotland to move into Government amid wider transport shake-up​



The Scottish Government is to bring its agency Transport Scotland back into the core of government. The announcement was recently made as part of a major programme of public-sector reform by the ruling Scottish National Party. The move raises questions over how Scotland’s railways and freight strategy will be managed in the years ahead.
 
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As a Celt, I sympathise with this, but it's not really the end of the world. Saying that, there was a (Tory) government plan to put a massive Union Jack window decal on the new HMRC offices by Cardiff Central and it all kicked off. It didn't happen!
 

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As a Celt, I sympathise with this, but it's not really the end of the world. Saying that, there was a (Tory) government plan to put a massive Union Jack window decal on the new HMRC offices by Cardiff Central and it all kicked off. It didn't happen!
That's interesting. HMRC did the same thing with their new office next door to Edinburgh Waverley (you can see it just before you enter the Calton Road tunnels) and there wasn't a reaction.

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I doubt if the reaction would have been so violent if the GBR branding were not so needlessly provocative - all that Union Jack nonsense. But why does Glasgow Central have to be managed by GBR anyway? And why is it GBR rather than just BR? Pandering to Reform?
 

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I doubt if the reaction would have been so violent if the GBR branding were not so needlessly provocative - all that Union Jack nonsense. But why does Glasgow Central have to be managed by GBR anyway?

I’m not sure how the Union Jack is any more or less provocative than the Saltire.

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Quoting from the memorandum of understanding posted by @zwk500.

At those stations GBR must ensure the use of GBR advertising space in the station to advertise its services is sympathetic to other operators to ensure this does not inadvertently mislead or confuse passengers.

Do Transport Scotland really think passengers are that stupid? No of course they don’t. This is just petty politics being played by nationalists on both sides. It’s not about improving services for users, stakeholders or taxpayers. Both sides need to take a long hard look at what they’re doing and the amount of energy being wasted on such a petty thing. It doesn’t matter, what matters is that the trains turn up on time and folk have a seat.
 
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I doubt if the reaction would have been so violent if the GBR branding were not so needlessly provocative - all that Union Jack nonsense. But why does Glasgow Central have to be managed by GBR anyway? And why is it GBR rather than just BR? Pandering to Reform?

I could understand a reaction if the St George flag had appeared, however last time I checked the Union Jack very much incorporates Scotland, so I don’t see any reason for it to be such an affront.

That said, I agree with your comments about GBR’s brand being garish.
 

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I’m not sure how the Union Jack is any more or less provocative than the Saltaire.

If you're not Scottish or Welsh, I don't think you can appreciate the (minor) irritation felt at having a union flag draped over a public building. It's insensitive, and indicates a dismissive attitude towards those parts of the UK.
 

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As mentioned upthread, GBR branding will be present at Glasgow Central High Level under the Memorandum of Understanding signed by Transport Scotland, so at the very least the reaction has been completely over-the-top about having a couple of ticket gates with the national flag on them on the wrong platforms.
In your opinion. My national flag isn't your one.
 
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If you're not Scottish or Welsh, I don't think you can appreciate the (minor) irritation felt at having a union flag draped over a public building. It's insensitive, and indicates a dismissive attitude towards those parts of the UK.

Scotland and Wales are part of the United Kingdom, which the Union Jack represents, what is the issue?
 

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Scotland and Wales are part of the United Kingdom, which the Union Jack represents, what is the issue?
It's called political sensitivity, the lack of which in the past has fueled the fires of separation.
 

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It's at one end of the two principal main lines that connect England and Scotland. Makes perfect sense to me.
The high level station is Network Rail, isnt it? And the majority of the operators there are part of GBR.

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If you're not Scottish or Welsh, I don't think you can appreciate the (minor) irritation felt at having a union flag draped over a public building. It's insensitive, and indicates a dismissive attitude towards those parts of the UK.
The Nationalist element, perhaps, but many Scots seem to be content with the union - at least thats what the referenda seem to indicate.
I am in Sotland now, and at least in this area I'm seeing at least as many Union Flags as Saltires
And the Union Flag was actually devised by a Scot - King James VI
 
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