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Cambridge South : no parking (and local CCTV is dissuade anyone from stopping near by...)

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Vast spending and zero benefit. The M11 already has good access to stations, without any need for new infrastructure.
Vast spending I agree

But I do think the benefits I outlined are genuine, just not anywhere near enough to be a sensible use of money & disruption

The other stations mentioned have fewer services - although I appreciate you’ve given examples both of the Kings Cross and Liverpool Street line.

And certainly it’s a better candidate for a car park than Cambridge (CBG) is. But then, we wouldn’t start from here :)
 
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Though it is unusual to have a station without a car park in the outlying London commuter area. Cambridge however is a bit different to most commuter towns, partly in having such a large inbound commuting number (but so does Milton Keynes) and partly in being a very anti car city (only Oxford really gets close).

It is a bit like Bletchley not having a car park I suppose, but you'd have to imagine an alternative MK in which the car wasn't the primary mode of transport.

Personally I don't see why they didn't put parking there, though. There's room and it might have been useful to those driving in from the south intending to go to London, and reducing congestion around "City" a bit. Those going into Cambridge from the south would of course use Trumpington P&R.
Cambridge isn’t a commuter town to London. There are of course people who commute to London but it’s too far out to be classed as a commuter town. It’s also not anti-car at all unless one starts from a very motornormative position - there needs to be a major reallocation of road space away from cars to buses and cycles to enable the city to avoid gridlock.

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Though it is unusual to have a station without a car park in the outlying London commuter area. Cambridge however is a bit different to most commuter towns, partly in having such a large inbound commuting number (but so does Milton Keynes) and partly in being a very anti car city (only Oxford really gets close).

It is a bit like Bletchley not having a car park I suppose, but you'd have to imagine an alternative MK in which the car wasn't the primary mode of transport.

Personally I don't see why they didn't put parking there, though. There's room and it might have been useful to those driving in from the south intending to go to London, and reducing congestion around "City" a bit. Those going into Cambridge from the south would of course use Trumpington P&R.
The whole aim of the station is to reduce cars which already have a negative impact on blue lights, rather than induce them into the area.

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There are, but most are not new-build ones.



Certainly, but this isn't one.



It is and it isn't. Cambridge itself is a city where a car is an encumbrance, but the rural hinterland is one where it's an essential, similar to Oxford and the reason why both have pretty good P&R provision. With South being on the southern edge of the city, it does seem a missed opportunity to remove park-and-ride-to-London traffic coming from the south from the roads into "City" station and provide for them with a dedicated access. A few might use Trumpington P&R for that and go to City by bus, but hardly any will.

It's not relevant for park-and-ride-to Cambridge traffic, though, as Trumpington handles that.

I suppose, that said, there is Whittlesford Parkway. Maybe the view was that the likely outcome of a car park would be more cars in Cambridge as people switched from that? And unlike Oxford most of the collection of villages to the south of Cambridge have their own station on one line or the other, while the string of stationless villages along the A14 and A428 would more easily reach "City" or North.
Whittlesford Parkway is much better placed to attract drivers in the southern hinterland. Foxton could, if expanded perform a similar role for the lines to London King’s Cross/St Pancras.

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But if you want to reduce congestion and car use you have to provide new options. The question is by not providing parking are opportunities being missed?
I would say it was the opposite.

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Given this whole discussion seems to be that it doesn't need parking because it's supposed to mostly be a destination rather than an origin, I don't see why they're stopping the Cambridge fasts there, especially the ones to/from Ely
I think there are two reasons: operationally it’s expedient to do so because of timetabling and the increased line speed at Shepreth branch junction negates some of the additional time required to stop there and secondly because of the huge number of people who work there who may want to reach London quickly during the day as well as people commuting from London and Ely. It’s likely to be omg the busiest stations in the region so not stopping trains there would be counter intuitive. And because it’s on a secondary mainline into London rather than one of the primary lines like the ECML, WCML, GWML, there is more potential to stop trains and a greater number of people wanting to get off there than there would be if the trains were coming from as far afield as Edinburgh, Glasgow, Swansea/Penzance as in the cases I referred to.

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I’d probably be a bit hacked off having a new station on the doorstep with fast services to London (especially off-peak), yet have to drive to Royston or Whittlesford, both of which I would regard as significant mileage, and also some risk of getting stuck in traffic in their own right.

However if we are saying that the local roads around Cambridge South (I don’t know them) are so congested then I guess this makes sense.
But if Cambridge South is on your doorstep then walk or cycle there.

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In the 1990s I lived in Cottenham 6 miles to the north and commuted to London, it was much easier and quicker to drive down the (old) A14 to Royston than make my way through central Cambridge to the station. Even if South had existed then, with parking, it would not have made a difference. I would probably do the same now, except there isn't an 0808 departure from Royston non-stop to KGX arriving at 0848 like there was then.
I’m surprised you didn’t use Waterbeach which since the early 90s had fast trains to London stopping there.
 
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I’m surprised you didn’t use Waterbeach which since the early 90s had fast trains to London stopping there.

I'm not sure it occurred to me to investigate it tbh. The overall consideration was what time I needed to get up in order to be in the DTI offices at Victoria by 9.15 or so which was deemed acceptable.

Royston was the best overall solution mainly bc of the non-stop train from there. If it had called at Waterbeach that would have been at least 25 mins earlier (including a long-ish stop at CBG) so no better, except in terms of getting a seat which only occasionally I failed to do. The non-stopping also meant I could get through quite a lot of paperwork on the journey without any interruptions.
 

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I’m surprised you didn’t use Waterbeach which since the early 90s had fast trains to London stopping there.
But in the 1990s I recall that Waterbeach did not have a car park. The current car park, which only has 82 spaces, was built relatively recently.
 

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I dislike the new station because the walk from Cambridge South to Addenbrookes Hospital bus station is very poorly signposted.

Even though it only takes about ten minutes to complete. Apart from that it is a just another bland modern station. Not much else to say really.
What, in your view would make it an unbland(is that an actual word) station? Many stations fall into that category unless its the likes of Weymss Bay, Frontage of Glasgow Central or London St Pancras. Try loitering in the mid-evening at places like Sanderstead or Polocksields. Beaulieu Park and Cambridge South look like they are from the same blueprint.
 

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Beaulieu Park and Cambridge South look like they are from the same blueprint.
Yeah, Fereday Pollard were the architects for both, Abbey Wood as well. They love some laminated timber do Fereday Pollard.
 

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But in the 1990s I recall that Waterbeach did not have a car park. The current car park, which only has 82 spaces, was built relatively recently.
And to think it was just served by a hotchporch frequency of first generation DMUs.
 

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And to think it was just served by a hotchporch frequency of first generation DMUs.
I'm old enough to remember when Waterbeach had 2 loco hauled trains on weekdays: the 0730 Ely to Liverpool Street at 0742 and the 0734 Cambridge to Kings Lynn at 0743.
 

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I'm old enough to remember when Waterbeach had 2 loco hauled trains on weekdays: the 0730 Ely to Liverpool Street at 0742 and the 0734 Cambridge to Kings Lynn at 0743.
Was the down train the one that used to have just a couple of coaches that attached to the rest at Lynn?
 

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Was the down train the one that used to have just a couple of coaches that attached to the rest at Lynn?
For a while yes, they were detached from the 1836 Liverpool Street to Kings Lynn at Cambridge the evening before.
 

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I'm old enough to remember when Waterbeach had 2 loco hauled trains on weekdays: the 0730 Ely to Liverpool Street at 0742 and the 0734 Cambridge to Kings Lynn at 0743.
That is a phenomenally useless service, what is the point of a service that you can't even use for commuting?

I'm glad that it is a regular, all-day service now!
 

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That is a phenomenally useless service, what is the point of a service that you can't even use for commuting?

I'm glad that it is a regular, all-day service now!
I think you are getting confused. These were the loco-hauled services calling. All others were DMUs.
 

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Beaulieu Park and Cambridge South look like they are from the same blueprint.
The laminated wooden solar canopies are part of the new standard, modular Network Rail station design kit of parts for small- to medium-sized stations, called HUB Station. I think the clock tower part of HUB Station wasn’t used at Cambridge South. Wickford, Portishead, and the new stations in South Wales will get HUB Station too. I personally wouldn’t call it bland.
 
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The laminated wooden solar canopies are part of the new standard, modular Network Rail station design kit of parts for small- to medium-sized stations, called HUB Station. I think the clock tower part of HUB Station wasn’t used at Cambridge South. Wickford, Portishead, and the new stations in South Wales will get HUB Station too. I personally wouldn’t call it bland.
I agree, not bland, just functional. That's why I couldn't understand the poster saying that Cambridge south was bland
 

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