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It was DiligentDave that posted that the missing transformers are coming from their doomed counterparts stored in sunny Warwickshire at the moment.

You would have to assume that Porterbrook have now officially ever given up getting the remaining ones back in service now they have the 350 deal on the cards, the value of the 323s is now weight in metal!
 
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Geeves said:
It was DiligentDave that posted that the missing transformers are coming from their doomed counterparts stored in sunny Warwickshire at the moment.

You would have to assume that Porterbrook have now officially ever given up getting the remaining ones back in service now they have the 350 deal on the cards, the value of the 323s is now weight in metal!
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The source came from Facebook, however Dave has mentioned it before
 
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I asked the question on the internal Northern message system. 8 car trains on the cards with mods to the door operating system. No reductions of any units to 3 cars. Good to cross that one off. No answers on internal seating adjustments.
 
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Geeves said:
I asked the question on the internal Northern message system. 8 car trains on the cards with mods to the door operating system. No reductions of any units to 3 cars. Good to cross that one off. No answers on internal seating adjustments.
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My understanding is that they’ll all be fitted with ASDO to allow for operation on Airport - Blackpool North services.

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350233 is today’s unit heading to Northampton, returning to Long Marston on Friday.
 
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Geeves said:
I asked the question on the internal Northern message system. 8 car trains on the cards with mods to the door operating system. No reductions of any units to 3 cars. Good to cross that one off. No answers on internal seating adjustments.
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Any more notes on the 'mods to the door operating system'? ASDO is a possible but I've been hearing other ideas kicking around as well.
 
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And has just failed at Stoke, in the bay platform!
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It’s definitely not back on form. Out for one day, away for nearly another week, out again and failed.

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Any more notes on the 'mods to the door operating system'? ASDO is a possible but I've been hearing other ideas kicking around as well.
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ASDO will be utilised to enable them to run in 8 car formations - believe Blackpools aren’t the first to swap over anyway.
 
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Class 466 said:
It’s definitely not back on form. Out for one day, away for nearly another week, out again and failed.

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ASDO will be utilised to enable them to run in 8 car formations - believe Blackpools aren’t the first to swap over anyway.
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Hopefully they just install the Sella Controls ASDO equipment and don't try any of the false economies that other companies have tried to cheap out with over the years.
 
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Any more notes on the 'mods to the door operating system'? ASDO is a possible but I've been hearing other ideas kicking around as well.
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We've been told it's the same system as used on the CAF units.
 
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We've been told it's the same system as used on the CAF units.
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Seems to be Sella Controlls using Geofencing with TrackLink III beacon fallback. So shouldn't be too bad and there is already a design for TrackLink III to be installed on Class 350 units.

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Train Based ASDO and CSDE solutions using GNSS and Tracklink III® (or GNSS only if no problem stations) The system has a EKE Trainnet® ASDO controller with GNSS and a Tracklink III® Reader mounted in each unit. The ASDO controller contains a database of the stations on the route. A geofence for each station and a network route is used so that the train identifies when it is at a particular station. This information is used to provide the SDO functionality for most of the route. Where there are stations with different platform lengths or where there is unreliable GNSS coverage then Tracklink III® Beacons are mounted at each platform of the affected station. At these stations the ASDO system will default to the shortest platform length unless it detects the Tracklink III® beacon, with the information from the beacon the ASDO controller can then release the full amount of doors for that platform. The ASDO controller communicates with remote Input/Output modules on each individual vehicle to release the correct doors on each vehicle. References: Class 195, Class 331 and Class 397
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Reference here: https://sellacontrols.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/ASDO_CSDE_0318.pdf
 
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Has it actually been announced where the Northern 350s will be maintained ?
I think further up this thread, when the lease to Northern was first announced it was assumed that they would be maintained in Manchester, but will they ?
The Siemens depot in Manchester is probably alread fully committed in maintaining the Class 185s, whereas the Siemens depot at Northampton must now surely have lots of spare capacity as they are not currently maintaining the 350/2s. I may well be wrong, but I suspect that they might be maintained there, as previously when leased to London Midland, thereby restoring the depots full work load.
It is not unknown for units (and locos) to be maintained at a remote or "off patch" location - just look at Chiltern Class 68s+Mark 5s which are maintained well "off patch" at Eastleigh.
 
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wickham said:
Has it actually been announced where the Northern 350s will be maintained ?
I think further up this thread, when the lease to Northern was first announced it was assumed that they would be maintained in Manchester, but will they ?
The Siemens depot in Manchester is probably alread fully committed in maintaining the Class 185s, whereas the Siemens depot at Northampton must now surely have lots of spare capacity as they are not currently maintaining the 350/2s. I may well be wrong, but I suspect that they might be maintained there, as previously when leased to London Midland, thereby restoring the depots full work load.
It is not unknown for units (and locos) to be maintained at a remote or "off patch" location - just look at Chiltern Class 68s+Mark 5s which are maintained well "off patch" at Eastleigh.
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Northampton is maintaining the 360s though.

There are 10 350/4s no longer being maintained at Ardwick, if one was to outstable elsewhere as well there may be enough capacity.
It would also be wise to have Siemens maintain them, given what usually happens when a company without sufficient resource tries to maintain complex units.
 
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wickham said:
Has it actually been announced where the Northern 350s will be maintained ?
I think further up this thread, when the lease to Northern was first announced it was assumed that they would be maintained in Manchester, but will they ?
The Siemens depot in Manchester is probably alread fully committed in maintaining the Class 185s, whereas the Siemens depot at Northampton must now surely have lots of spare capacity as they are not currently maintaining the 350/2s. I may well be wrong, but I suspect that they might be maintained there, as previously when leased to London Midland, thereby restoring the depots full work load.
It is not unknown for units (and locos) to be maintained at a remote or "off patch" location - just look at Chiltern Class 68s+Mark 5s which are maintained well "off patch" at Eastleigh.
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They’re being maintained at Ardwick.
 
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323226 suffered a seized axle yesterday, and appears to have caused a bit of damage to the unit. It's currently waiting to a Wheel Skate on PLT 1 at Manchester Oxford Rd, to either Allerton, Ardwick or Longsight
 
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