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Haywain

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Don't most people have company laptops and phones nowadays?
I'll let people who actually work in control answer that regarding laptops. Phones they probably have but they'll be set to the individual's number not the control desk number
 
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I'll let people who actually work in control answer that regarding laptops. Phones they probably have but they'll be set to the individual's number not the control desk number
There will be a generic laptop (possibly), but it will need access to the server to be useful.
 

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to put together a skeleton hourly service, say between Bristol and York fitting in with what resources GWR and LNER could lend? Don't you think it's appalling that in modern Britain they just abandoned train services on that axis? I suppose that it being a Sunday might have made it more difficult to get something running, but all the crew and rolling stock was ready to go, and GWR and LNER might have had resources available.

Don't most people have company laptops and phones nowadays? and maybe you didn't see my comment


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if you decide you are not going to run any trains, then by definition all the crew are spare!

What a tragedy. The railway I worked in had people who wanted it to succeed, and I bet a skeleton service could still have been manned.

The railway you worked in hadn't spent the best part of three years demonising traincrews in their pet media or encouraging it in social media, and trying to destroy what little conditions they have left. The damage has been done and I'm not sure it can ever be repaired. Goodwill is easily destroyed and very difficult to get back again.
 

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The railway you worked in hadn't spent the best part of three years demonising traincrews in their pet media or encouraging it in social media, and trying to destroy what little conditions they have left. The damage has been done and I'm not sure it can ever be repaired. Goodwill is easily destroyed and very difficult to get back again.

Would those 'little conditions they have left' be the good pay, good pension and rostering conditions those working in the Road Transport industry can only dream of?
 

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Would those 'little conditions they have left' be the good pay, good pension and rostering conditions those working in the Road Transport industry can only dream of?
More than likely. Due to unions that tend to look after the interests of their members. An Act of Parliament that protected pension conditions during privatisation.
I wouldn’t say that rostering conditions are better than they were in BR days though - the extra pay provides some compensation for that.
 

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The railway you worked in hadn't spent the best part of three years demonising traincrews in their pet media or encouraging it in social media, and trying to destroy what little conditions they have left. The damage has been done and I'm not sure it can ever be repaired. Goodwill is easily destroyed and very difficult to get back again.
That will be the same rail industry that created a shortage of drivers by recruiting from other TOCs rather than from outside. Let's not pretend that the grade hasn't benefitted hugely from privatisation.
 

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More than likely. Due to unions that tend to look after the interests of their members. An Act of Parliament that protected pension conditions during privatisation.
Sadly the provisions of that act have proven illusory to the many members supposedly protected at companies formed out of BR at privatisation (Jarvis, Carillion and other companies as their pensions were found to be NOT protected at all.
 

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to put together a skeleton hourly service, say between Bristol and York fitting in with what resources GWR and LNER could lend? Don't you think it's appalling that in modern Britain they just abandoned train services on that axis? I suppose that it being a Sunday might have made it more difficult to get something running, but all the crew and rolling stock was ready to go, and GWR and LNER might have had resources available.
Clearly I am misunderstanding what happened then, surely all the diagrams and rosters for that Sunday were already known? Why would they suddenly need to be rewritten?
 

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Clearly I am misunderstanding what happened then, surely all the diagrams and rosters for that Sunday were already known? Why would they suddenly need to be rewritten?
I take it (from the company's decision to lock up and walk away) that their operation is so widespread and complex that they couldn't possibly try to run it without their whole Control and Management suite being operational. Hence my suggestion of trying to run a skeleton service on the trunk route where they are the only operator so that passengers aren't just abandoned. Juggling half a dozen traincrews working to pencil-drawn robust diagrams and communicating by phone shouldn't be beyond the wit of man.

Having said that, the industrial relations seem to be so poisoned that there is no chance of such a thing happening.
 

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I take it (from the company's decision to lock up and walk away) that their operation is so widespread and complex that they couldn't possibly try to run it without their whole Control and Management suite being operational. Hence my suggestion of trying to run a skeleton service on the trunk route where they are the only operator so that passengers aren't just abandoned. Juggling half a dozen traincrews working to pencil-drawn robust diagrams and communicating by phone shouldn't be beyond the wit of man.

Having said that, the industrial relations seem to be so poisoned that there is no chance of such a thing happening.
My former, very crappy and low tier at the time (before we turned it around!) London Borough had a set of diesel generators outside the main office which would occasionally spark up for tests or when an inevitable power cut occurred due to over excited development crews digging up roads nearby.

Took a couple of minutes for us to be operational. All city firms of repute have substantial contingency plans, some including out of London offices sitting in wait.

They could even pay a relatively small sum for a London Borough to keep a floor ready for all TOC's in case something hits the fan

Where I work is 24hr security, high speed internet, and fully resilient. There is even a whole large floor empty which could very easily be placed on readiness for something like this.
 
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Just a gentle reminder that this thread is no the place to rake over the coals of various industrial relations grievances justified or not. Particularly grievances that might date back privatisation itself!
 

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