Normally used one of the 3 coach DMU's, can't remember the class but they had gearboxes and a long drive shaft! The morning train from Matlock went onto Peartree for RR. It was a fun week commuting Matlock-Loughborough whilst staying at the GF's to free up bed space at my parents
Government says it wants to promote economic growth, then cuts trains services and suppresses passenger demand. Go figure.
Where would you suggest the additional vehicles come from for a 3 month period each year?please sign this petition regarding the dire state of the Skegness service this Summer, EMR/ DFT are pushing people into their cars, 2 car trains in high Summer
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Is it a good income though? Would it cover the costs? That isn't necessarily a reason not to do it but would the subsidy be better spent elsewhere providing a year round improvement rather than subsiding holidays?
Sadly it's not really a good income though. The numbers are an error on the spreadsheet, it's a near 5 hour round trip for the units so is resource heavy, the fares under the present system don't really make much money for the business unit providing the service. The through fares are fairly cheap.
Sadly unless you own the stock it'll always come down to the bottom line. Ultimately we're probably better investing in the routes that make money and cascading the older stock to routes like Skegness, as opposed to investing in Skegness itself. Generally if you can provide a clean train that'll give folk a seat and space for their luggage, they don't complain, because they're not expecting much more than that.
What?
Ah the 156s that East Midlands nor Northern wanted, cos they were shot and only fit for parts. No chance of any 153s ever coming back .For years the DfT have short changed the East Midlands for trains
Ask the DfT where extra DMUs would come from. There certainly isn't any fit ones parked up.please sign this petition regarding the dire state of the Skegness service this Summer, EMR/ DFT are pushing people into their cars, 2 car trains in high Summer
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At risk of going off thread, is the country that short of DMU's ? Just curious more than anything but new trains are being introduced (Wales for example), so where do the old ones go? They used to be spruced up and cascaded to the less blessed lines unles they really are all shot and desperatly in need of replacement (I know the EMR 222's are going to Scotland to replace the rusting away HST sets).
I'm not sure what is happening in Wales.. I did think that 197s would have replaced 158s.. That said, many DMU worked trains are said to be short formed. I think the tram trains in South Wales should replace 150s (those are likely for scrap).. Maybe 153s will go for scrap. Potentially DMUs will be released by new electrification in Scotland... On GWR, I guess that depends on how reliable the 175s are. South Western 158/159s seemingly getting more unreliable. Add in a few crash victims, shortage of spares for units over 30 years old, and well, you have a shortage of units.
Newquay is a shortish branch conveniently interfacing with the mainline.
More 3 car 170s have been deployed on Liverpool - Norwich services with the 158s swapped to Skegness.
About 140 seats on a 2 car 158 and 180 on a 3 car 170. The 3 car 170 has far more luggage space than a 158 though.
Especially the Scottish ones which has a section for ski's!
Sorry but what a load of nonsense. In what way are the two routes comparable?
What year are your quoted figures from?
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2 x 158 = 4 or 3-car 170 is only FSMO, for the rest of the week Skegness service is only 2-car. Saturday isn't the only peak, Friday and Monday is too hence the strengthening then. I think this has been said before many times above.
