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TRIVIA: Direct bus services that have competitive journey times with direct train services

Dwarfer1979

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You failed to mention the competitive advantage of the shortest turn up and go overall journey time.

I can think of several cases where including the average wait for a low frequency train, completely negates the faster journey time over a more frequent bus service, even when it's a standard all stops double decker.

This is no more obvious than on sparsely served rural rail lines, where with some stations not served by every train, you can possibly be waiting maybe 2 hours, so on average an hour, but where decent A roads and with far more decent sized villages that can be served with central stops, are allowing buses to be run at a frequency as good as 15 minutes.

It's so stark, it's as if Beeching never even happened, and the railway is still the absurd, anachronistic, throwback mode from a different era, where you expect to be sharing a carriage with milk churns or even livestock, and closure is expected any day now.

The fact the train is often the budget option too, preferred by commuters and shoppers but not travellers or tourists, is just absurd as well.
Also locational comparisons. Leicester to Loughborough by train is only 10-mins whilst the Skylink bus takes 30-mins but neither station, particularly Loughborough, is central to the focus of the town so once you add the travel time to/from the station the bus gets very competitive centre to centre. Then your frequency comparison also kicks in as the Skylink is every 15-mins and whilst the trains appear to have 3 per hour (one of which is all stations and takes 25-mins) they aren't evenly spread and seem to all be concentrated into a 20-min period. The Red Arrow Derby to Nottingham will be even more pronounced due to the remoteness of Derby Station in particular given that the actual times are similar.
 
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The once a week 74 does Harrogate to York in 45 mins. The train can take up to 44 mins.
The 825 also takes 45 minutes from Harrogate to York on a Summer Sunday & Bank Holiday. However, the journey from York to Harrogate takes 56 minutes. The 74 takes 52 minutes from York to Harrogate as well.

Most people use the 74 between York & Harrogate to connect with the 59 but if you're travelling to Acomb, Holgate or Rawcliffe, journey times favour the bus even more so.
 

BuhSnarf

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I think it's worth considering the time to get from station to centre.

For example Skylink Debry - Leicester to Loughborough - is 30 minutes by bus and 10 minutes by train. However, it's a 10/15 minute walk at each end so the bus (£3) is quite competitive compared to the train (£8) and take you directly to the centre of each place.

** Sorry, just noticed Dwarfer1979 posted the exact same thing.
 

Flange Squeal

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I think it's worth considering the time to get from station to centre.

For example Skylink Debry - Leicester to Loughborough - is 30 minutes by bus and 10 minutes by train. However, it's a 10/15 minute walk at each end so the bus (£3) is quite competitive compared to the train (£8) and take you directly to the centre of each place.

** Sorry, just noticed Dwarfer1979 posted the exact same thing.
It does of course vary for the purpose of travel.

In the example in the original post (Farnham to Guildford), the train is only a minute quicker than the bus but the bus stops in central Farnham. Therefore for journeys to/from Farnham town centre, the bus becomes the quicker option when you factor in the additional walk from Farnham station to the town centre.

But on the flip side, the majority of Farnham residents probably live south of the railway in the more densely built up residential area of Farnham, Wrecclesham and Shortheath, with the town centre to the north. So for Farnham residents travelling to/from Guildford, then walking into town for the bus would flip the situation to become a noticeably longer than the train.

So in some cases it’s probably hard to say which is categorically the better option.
 

Park47515

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The Brighton and Hove buses no. 12 takes 37-40 mins from Brighton station to Newhaven Town station, and a further 14-15 on to Seaford town centre (so 51-55 mins total).

The Train takes 35 mins from Brighton to Newhaven Town, and a further 8 on to Seaford (so 43 mins total). Given the first 10 mins of the bus journey is from Brighton station to the Seafront, if your ultimate destination is on the seafront, the bus would be appreciably quicker.

Although the 12 does continue on to Eastbourne, it ceases to be competitive against direct trains from Brighton.
The 12 is also significantly more frequent, arguably more comfortable and has a 24/7 service!
 

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