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Guided buses: not enough regard for safety?

padbus

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Stagecoach are probably right - who wants to sit in a slow baking hot bus when a nice airconditioned car is a much nicer option when outside temperatures are reaching 35°
The busway buses are air conditioned.
Although not explicit, my reading is that there will be some permanent reductions in speed limits on the busway, especially at crossing points.
The buses have to slow down at crossing points because there is a gap in the guidance kerb and there is often a bus stop immediately after the crossing. It would surely be possible to automate the passage of buses through the crossings.
 
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Whenever I have travelled on the busway, albeit infrequently, it has always been the (slow) loading of passengers that has been the slowest part of the journey. The reduction of the speed limit from 50 to 30 has little overall effect on the time taken compared to the loading time at some stops.

What Stagecoach have done is just use this as an excuse to cut the number of buses they run and therefore reduce the number of drivers they need to employ.
 

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Whenever I have travelled on the busway, albeit infrequently, it has always been the (slow) loading of passengers that has been the slowest part of the journey. The reduction of the speed limit from 50 to 30 has little overall effect on the time taken compared to the loading time at some stops.
Maybe it is now a greater proportion but there's no denying that the change in speed limits has impacted the journey time.
What Stagecoach have done is just use this as an excuse to cut the number of buses they run and therefore reduce the number of drivers they need to employ.

The problem, in my view, is that Stagecoach has really lost its mojo with the Busway, and dare I say it, with Stagecoach East as a whole, and apologies if I'm veering off topic on the safety element of the Busway.

I was in Peterborough bus station recently. The issues that I identified a few years ago are still there... The fleet is old - dominated by 10-12 plate e400s and there's not much newer. IIRC, there were some more 2017/8 e400mmc but they were moved to the X5. Peterborough's fleet is also much smaller and that's reflective of the wider business as they've incrementally ceded routes either in entirety or on a contracted out basis (like the 904). Appreciate that anyone can skew figures, and not wishing to talk about what the Romans have ever done for us, but aside from the 30 or so electric deckers for Cambridge, the investment into East has been woeful since Covid.

Moving onto the Busway specifically, it looks so jaded. The sites are looking tired and unloved, and so are the vehicles. The XLBs and Evoras are now just over 6 years old but you have 17 year old Eclipses still out all day. The image looks poor and there's little in terms of promotion or anything to tempt you to travel. It's just... there but slower.
 

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It would surely be possible to automate the passage of buses through the crossings.
The issue is regulating the other traffic through the crossings. The collisions in 2019 and 2025 demonstrate:


A car and bus caught fire after a collision between the two vehicles on a guided busway.

Plumes of black smoke could be seen coming from the incident on Station Road in Longstanton, Cambridgeshire at about 09:30 BST.


A bus driver is in a critical condition after a "major collision" between a fire engine and two guided buses.

It happened on the B1050 Station Road at the junction with the Busway in Northstowe, near Cambridge, shortly after 14:00 BST on Wednesday.

Moving onto the Busway specifically, it looks so jaded. The sites are looking tired and unloved, and so are the vehicles. The XLBs and Evoras are now just over 6 years old but you have 17 year old Eclipses still out all day.
Both of the above led to vehicle withdrawals. and decapitating a nearly new double decker didn't help either.


The top deck of a bus was destroyed when it crashed into a bridge in Cambridge.

The Stagecoach vehicle collided with Hills Road Bridge on the guided busway at 09:27 GMT.

Appreciate that anyone can skew figures, and not wishing to talk about what the Romans have ever done for us, but aside from the 30 or so electric deckers for Cambridge, the investment into East has been woeful since Covid.
The electric buses work the Park and Ride. Most of the 2016 build vehicles that they replaced are still in Cambridge, which also has a few 2023 double deckers that arrived early in 2025. These mainly work routes 7, 8 and 13, which seem to be the second priority behind the Park and Ride these days.
 

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