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[FI] First revenue train Oulu-Haaparanta

rf_ioliver

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Tomorrow the first revenue train (in many years) crosses the border between Finland and Sweden. The 5h08 IC401 arrives in Tornio at 6h37, crosses the border at 6h42 and arrives at Haaparanta P at 6h45 for those in the area with a camera (or ticket) and insomnia! Train is booked to be Siemens Vectron with 7 wagons

https://juliadata.fi/timetables?s=401&d=10.8.2026

The return service IC402 departs Haaparanta P at 7h20 and arrives in Oulu at 9h00. It then continues to Helsinki as IC38, 9h16-15h39
 
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Quite a bit of discussion over on Reddit, including pictures of the certificates handed out to passengers for this first service.

Also lots of discussion about "why" as it takes so long to get from Helsinki to Stockholm via this route....<sigh>
 

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Also lots of discussion about "why" as it takes so long to get from Helsinki to Stockholm via this route....
From what I can tell, it's 33 hours eastbound (including 7 hours in Haparanda) compared to 20 hours driving via Luleå. I wonder if there's any room to speed services up, even if ferries are almost guaranteed to stay faster (fourteen and a half hours via Turku).
 

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From what I can tell, it's 33 hours eastbound (including 7 hours in Haparanda) compared to 20 hours driving via Luleå. I wonder if there's any room to speed services up, even if ferries are almost guaranteed to stay faster (fourteen and a half hours via Turku).
But the line isn't competing with the ferries...even then the airfare Helsinki-Stockholm is about the same as the ferry.
 

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According to the article, VR says the timetable will improve next year. Which is good news.

It's a little ambiguous, but I don't think this means VR's timetable will change, rather that Norrtåg's will so that cross-border connections become smoother.

I'm still a little skeptical about the long term prospects for this route - if the government funding is withdrawn it's very unlikely to survive. So don't wait to come visit us in northern Sweden and Finland!

Later this year I'll probably make a 3-day weekend: ferry Umeå-Vaasa, then train up to Oulu and back via Haparanda. Will share pics if no-one else on this thread gets there first.
 
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It's a little ambiguous, but I don't think this means VR's timetable will change, rather that Norrtåg's will so that cross-border connections become smoother.

Greeeaaaat...

That would have helped with my planning for this one specific trip, perhaps, but a spontaneous day out in Tornio/Haparanda is not going to happen with VR's current timings from Oulu. A late-morning/early-afternoon departure from Oulu would make it viable in a way that current bus/train schedules do not, although some joined-up timetables on the bus from Kemi trains to Haparanda and back would also help.
 

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From what I can tell, it's 33 hours eastbound (including 7 hours in Haparanda) compared to 20 hours driving via Luleå. I wonder if there's any room to speed services up, even if ferries are almost guaranteed to stay faster (fourteen and a half hours via Turku).
When the new night trains are in service in Sweden, they should reduce the travel time a bit. And Norrbotniabanan and the current upgrades on Ostkustbanan should cut down the travel time by a couple of hours.
 

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Currently Helsinki-Stockholm is about 29 hours, with an 8 hour bus ride from Haaparanta to Umeå. The Norrtåg train departs about 30 mins before the arriving VR train in the morning.
 

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Currently Helsinki-Stockholm is about 29 hours, with an 8 hour bus ride from Haaparanta to Umeå. The Norrtåg train departs about 30 mins before the arriving VR train in the morning.

Why would you go by bus rather than train between Haparanda and Umeå?
 

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Why would you go by bus rather than train between Haparanda and Umeå?
Because at the moment the VR and Norrtåg trains do not connect.

For example Helsinki-Stockholm, the fastest I could get via this route: Night train 265 Helsinki->Kemi, IC401 Kemi->Haaparanta arrives 5h45 (Swedish time). The Norrtåg train deparated at 5h19. The next service is Bus 20, departing 6h54 to Umeå Busstation, arriving 15h05. After that you can get over to Umeå Central and via Sundsvall Central to Stockholm on trains.
 

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Very few are going to travel fom Helsinki to Stockholm by this route, but it is a viable option for Narvik or Trondheim. Norrtag need to oblige by making tbe connection of course.
 

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Of course, but given a lot of discussion going on (that bastion of sane, measured, intellectual discussion called Reddit) there's quite a few thinking this route is for exactly that; and then of course come the rebuttals that the route is pointless because you can't go from Helsinki to Stockholm quickly via this route. Sometimes wonder if people have ever looked at a map....

Might give the route a try next time I have chance when I'm in Oulu
 

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Incredibly happy to finally see this route back in operation after almost four decades. The schedules are almost farcical however, not connecting with Norrtåg’s services on the Swedish side and not being particularly useful for local people in the north of Finland either. Seems like the schedules have been planned around connections towards the south of Finland, with not much consideration given to anything else. To VR’s credit, these connections do indeed work very well, but even then, I find it quite silly that while in practice a direct train from Haaparanta to Helsinki does exist (IC37/407 Helsinki 13:20-Haaparanta 19:50, IC402/38 Haaparanta 7:20-Helsinki 15:39), it’s sold as a regular connecting service with no mention made to the fact that it is the exact same train. VR’s systems very much are capable of this with trains that divide or join along the journey, it’s quite frankly insane to me that this hasn’t been done with this service too. All in all lots of room for improvement still, both on the Swedish side with making the Norrtåg services connect properly to the VR services and on the Finnish side with making the direct connection work properly as such, preferably with one number throughout.
 

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Incredibly happy to finally see this route back in operation after almost four decades. The schedules are almost farcical however, not connecting with Norrtåg’s services on the Swedish side and not being particularly useful for local people in the north of Finland either. Seems like the schedules have been planned around connections towards the south of Finland, with not much consideration given to anything else.

Operationally, VR don't have the right rolling stock for this service, so they have to use long-distance rolling stock in the gaps in the existing service pattern between Oulu and Helsinki. So the north/south connections are a reflection of that.

To VR’s credit, these connections do indeed work very well, but even then, I find it quite silly that while in practice a direct train from Haaparanta to Helsinki does exist (IC37/407 Helsinki 13:20-Haaparanta 19:50, IC402/38 Haaparanta 7:20-Helsinki 15:39), it’s sold as a regular connecting service with no mention made to the fact that it is the exact same train. VR’s systems very much are capable of this with trains that divide or join along the journey, it’s quite frankly insane to me that this hasn’t been done with this service too.

Don't quote me on this, but I think this is might be to do with the funding. Operating the Haparanda - Oulu segment of the through train under its own train number might be do with avoiding complications with accounting for state-supported trains.

All in all lots of room for improvement still, both on the Swedish side with making the Norrtåg services connect properly to the VR services and on the Finnish side with making the direct connection work properly as such, preferably with one number throughout.

It will be much improved from December 2026.

Norrtåg explain that from the 6th of September there will be morning connections in both directions on Fridays and Sundays, adapted for weekend trips. Then from the week of 5th October, evening traffic on the Swedish side will be adapted for connections in both directions. Then from 13th December 2026, morning and evening connections are coordinated for connections every day of the week.

There is no shortage of enthusiasm, especially since Norrtåg is currently operated by VR's Swedish subsidiary. They are receiving 5 additional Regina trains this summer, and with that there will be a big step change in both timetables and frequencies on the more southern routes.

For me (in Umeå) the much greater excitement arises from the possibility of easier trips Umeå - Oulu/Uleåborg (where we already have many existing academic and business links) and Oulu - Luleå/Narvik. As many have said, this isn't about Stockholm or Helsinki, but stronger connections between people in the north of the two countries.

This is not totally related to Haparanda/Tornio, but earlier this year SVT (Swedish public TV) broadcast a really sweet and insightful 4-part documentary about the lives of people in Karesuando (Gárasavvon in Sami, Kaaresuvanto in Finnish or Karesuanto in Meänkieli). Each one broadly covers one season, and how people's lives are adapted to the cold, dark winters and long 24hr days of summer. Several languages are spoken (including the Torne River dialect of Meänkilei), but if you watch in Google Chrome sometimes the web browser's translate function will be able to translate the captions. Or just let it wash over you and enjoy the fantastic soundtrack. The show is called Macken i Karesuando which means "the gas station in Karesuando", where everyone passes through for groceries, energy or gossip.

 

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Don't quote me on this, but I think this is might be to do with the funding. Operating the Haparanda - Oulu segment of the through train under its own train number might be do with avoiding complications with accounting for state-supported trains.
You can perfectly well show a through train while it changes train number. You can also see that in other countries and MERITS supports it too.
 

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it’s sold as a regular connecting service with no mention made to the fact that it is the exact same train.

When you book the ticket, eg: IC37/IC407 Helsinki-Haaparanta it CLEARLY states the seating situation and that it is a through train

Screenshot 2026-08-18 172934.png

As for your other points, the timetables in Sweden will change later this year.
 

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As for your other points, the timetables in Sweden will change later this year.

Yes, I've noticed this misunderstanding in a few outlets and forums. It's become quite widespread. The Finnish timetable is not planned to change again this year; it is the Swedish one which will adapt to align with the Finnish one.
 

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